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Joy am onto it

That's good. Perhaps you could use that site to see if his parents' marriage is there? :)

Joy yes i did thanks and that confirms what i thought that this the family i am looking for.
MC I think you have found the link back from John 1870 thank you

Paul, did you see the baptismal details that I posted?

Thanks MC...Gives me something to work with...

This is that family in 1861:

DIVINE, Owen Head Married M 43 1818 Hat Maker Ireland
DIVINE, Ann Wife Married F 40 1821 Flax Spinner Ireland
DIVINE, Bridget Daughter F 16 1845 Flax Spinner Leeds, Yorkshire
DIVINE, Mary Ann Daughter F 14 1847 Flax Spinner Leeds, Yorkshire
DIVINE, Catherine Daughter F 12 1849 Flax Spinner Leeds, Yorkshire
DIVINE, John Son M 11 1850 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire
DIVINE, Annie Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire
DIVINE, Ellen Daughter F 3 1858 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire
DIVINE, Hannah Daughter F 0 (8M) 1861 Leeds, Yorkshire
BURGON, Joseph Lodger Married M 22 1839 Iron Mongers Assistant Leeds, Yorkshire
BURGON, Mary Lodger Married F 19 1842 Leeds, Yorkshire

Piece: 3377 Folio: 80 Page: 13
Registration District: Leeds
Civil Parish: Leeds
Municipal Borough: Leeds

Address: 10, East Lane, Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding)

This 1871 might be a step in the right direction:

DIVINE, Owen Head M 44 1827 Ireland < Hatter
DIVINE, Ann Wife F 44 1827 Ireland
DIVINE, Ellen Daughter F 12 1859 Yorkshire < Spinner
DIVINE, Hannah Daughter F 10 1861 Yorkshire
DIVINE, John Nephew M 3 1868 Yorkshire
KELLEY, Hannah Lodger F 16 1855 Yorkshire

Piece: 4551 Folio: 123 Page: 21
Registration District: Leeds
Civil Parish: Leeds
Municipal Borough: Leeds

Address: Union Court, Leeds County: Yorkshire

** The Yorkshire births were all in Leeds.

Not sure if the Ann and Ellen on this 1871 are the same as on the 1881. The birth years out but that's not unusual.

Marie Celeste re 2016 post -That ties in nicely re 2024 post am not sure i have no definate answer to who John (1870) parents were and in addition Eringobragh 1916 I have the marriage certificate of John and Eliza which just states his Father as (wait for it) John who was a rivetter in 1890

Paul....Who were John (b1870) parents..?

Here is his baptism from the link that I gave:

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e2a8a30052991

DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - SS. MICHAEL & JOHN

Name JOHN DEVINE
Date of Birth N/R N/R 1789
Address N/R
Father WILLM DEVINE
Mother MARY [DOYLE]
Child Denomination RC
Sponsor 1 JAMES O HARA
Sponsor 2 MARY DOYLE

Paul - does this 1881 match what you have?

DEVINE, Ann Head Widow F 60 1821 Hawker Ireland
DEVINE, Ellen Daughter Single F 28 1853 Flax Spinner Leeds, Yorkshire
LYONS, Hannah Lodger Married F 19 1862 Leeds, Yorkshire
BROWN, Mary Lodger Widow F 60 1821 Cloth Cutter Ireland
DEVINE, John Lodger Single M 12 1869 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire

Piece: 4519 Folio: 21 Page: 38
Registration District: Leeds
Civil Parish: Leeds

Address: 14, Allisons Buildings, Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding)

1901, just to give us something to work back from:

DEVINE, John Head Married M 31 1870 Professional Vocalest Leeds, Yorkshire
DEVINE, Eliza Wife Married F 29 1872 Tailoress Leeds, Yorkshire
DEVINE, Frank Son Single M 10 1891 Leeds, Yorkshire
DEVINE, Owen Son Single M 3 1898 Leeds, Yorkshire
RAY, Tom Boarder Single M 44 1857 Musician Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire

Piece: 4223 Folio: 44 Page: 12
Registration District: Leeds
Civil Parish: Leeds

Address: 2, Ireton Street, Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding)

On the 1891 John is a vest cutter.

The Devine family in Leeds i can confirm are John born 1870 married Eliza Wrigglesworth children were Francis(1890) Arthur (1892) Owen(1895).

That is my brick wall I cant work back pre 1870 and close the loop to John F in 1790c

Paul...There were a number of Devine Families (Ire) in Leeds early as 1841...Which family are we looking at...?

The information I have which has been passed down over the years is that John Frances Devine was a Roman Catholic born to that family around 1790,believe he was baptised at St Michaels and St John's, but don't have any other details about parents or siblings.
I believe at some stage they migrated to Leeds which is where the 1870 birth ties in (that is confirmed by the way)as I have all descendants confirmed after that point.
Believe John Frances mother may have been a Mary Doyle (possibly)

Paul....Its a fair leap from the 1790s to 1870 ....

I cannot find any Devine..(Clerical Headress Makers/similar) around Dublin City at the beginning of 1800s...plenty Bakers/Butchers...

How have you determined the approx. date and area....

What other details have you which may help....?

Thanks for your help Ladies

Try searching here http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

FORGOT BORN DUBLIN

John Devine
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records 1760-1913
born 1793

avaqlible on find my past

sorry dont have fmp