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Charles Southworth 1841

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Christine

Christine Report 11 Jul 2012 15:58

Hi
Charles was born in Hoghton Lancs in 1841 and married Margaret Wilson in 1861 in Preston. They had a daughter Elizabeth Ann in 1862.
I have Charles with his family (parents William and Ann and siblings) in 1851 and with his in-laws and Margaret in 1861, both years in Preston........he then seems to disappear of the face of the earth. I cannot find him in any later census and there doesn't seem to be an age appropriate death for him.
If any one has a little time I wonder if you can try to locate him for me.
Thanks in advance
Christine

Christine

Christine Report 11 Jul 2012 16:36

Hmmm - he is elusive isnt he........ :-)
have to nip out now but will check back in later

Christine

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 11 Jul 2012 16:44

sister?

Elizabeth Ann Southworth
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 03 Aug 1859
christening: 04 Jul 1879 St. Mark's,? Preston,? Lancashire,? England
residence: 1859 Preston,? Lancashire,? England
parents: William Southworth,? Ann


name: Elizabeth Ann Southworth
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 04 Jul 1879
baptism/christening place: St. Mark's, Preston, Lancashire, England
birth date: 03 Aug 1859
father's name: William Southworth
mother's name: Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C16228-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1471020

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jul 2012 16:46

You haven't said whether you've found his wife and daughter after 1861

Where was the daughter born?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Jul 2012 16:48

looks like his birth
Civil Registration event: Birth


Name: SOUTHWORTH, Charles
Registration district: Chorley
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1841
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 21
Page no: 307


Chorley reg district covered Hoghton

Maddie

Maddie Report 11 Jul 2012 16:49

the daughter 1911 ????
SOUTHWORTH, Elizabeth Ann Head Single F 50 1861 Grocer Provision Dealer Preston Lancashire VIEW
SOUTHWORTH, Joseph Brother Widower M 41 1870 Hat Grinder Preston Lancashire VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 25287

Reference: RG14PN25287 RG78PN1447 RD476 SD3 ED14 SN420

Registration District: Preston

Sub District: North Preston

Enumeration District: 14

Parish: Preston

Address: 34 Muncaster Road Preston Lancashire

County: Lancashire

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jul 2012 16:52

Age at death didn't appear on the index until mid-1860's

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 11 Jul 2012 17:31

if that is the right Elizabeth (mmn WIlson) these are the only Josephs born Preston so did Margret die and Charles remarry?

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1869
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SOUTHWORTH Joseph Preston Preston ATHERTON PRES/179/64
SOUTHWORTH Joseph Preston Preston LIVESEY PRES/179/64
SOUTHWORTH Joseph Walton-le-Dale Preston HULL WLD/18/51

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 11 Jul 2012 17:42

i assume you have Charles parents marriage?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SOUTHWORTH William YATES Ann Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RO/2/7

when was Margaret Wilson born

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 11 Jul 2012 18:35

1861 England Census
about Margaret Southward
Name: Margaret Southward
[Margaret Southworth]
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Wilson
Gender: Female
Where born: Tarleton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 3130
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Wilson 50
Betty Wilson 47
Ellen Wilson 19
Thomas Wilson 17
John Wilson 13
Richard Wilson 10
William Wilson 5
Charles Southward 19 FIREMAN
Margaret Southward 23 **************************








Christine

Christine Report 11 Jul 2012 19:07

Hi all
Thanks for all the replies.
AnnCardiff-Charles did have a sister Elizabeth Ann but she was born 1859 not 1879
Shirley-yes that's his birth
Maddie- I don't think this Elizabeth Ann is mine. I think this Elizabeth and Joseph were born to John Southworth and Ellen Standen who married in 1857
lancashireann-yes I have have his parents marriage
Margaret Wilson was born 1837 in Tarleton (Preston)
Reggie- On LancsBMD it shows the age at death
no I havent found the wife and daughter after 1861
the daughter was born in Preston

Thanks everyone for looking
Christine

Mike *

Mike * Report 11 Jul 2012 20:07

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
SOUTHWORTH Charles -Brindle/Withnell Preston - Mmn YATES

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 11 Jul 2012 22:41

Remarriage for Margaret.......


Marriage: 16 Sep 1874 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Robert Davies - 38 Clogger Widower of London Rd
Margaret Southworth - 36 Widow of Wellfield Rd
Groom's Father: late Robert Davies, Clogger
Bride's Father: Richard Wilson, Carter
Witness: Thomas Wilson; M. A. Davies
Married by License by: John Homer Killick, Curate
Register: Marriages 1873 - 1875, Page 169, Entry 338
Source: LDS Film 94000



And 1881 census.......


1881 England Census
about Margaret Davies Name: Margaret Davies
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Davies
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Fishwick
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 79 London Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4225
Folio: 47
Page Number: 88
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Davies 45 ......Shopkeeper & Clogger
Margaret Davies 43
Eliza Davies 19....Milliner & Dressmaker
Margaret Davies 11
James Davies 8

All listed as born in Preston.





AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 11 Jul 2012 22:57

Christine - the Elizabeth Ann I posted IS 1859 not 1879 :-)

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 11 Jul 2012 23:23

Could Charles have joined the army and died abroad?


Charles Southworth
India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
birth: 1841
death: 09 Jul 1872
burial: 09 Jul 1872 Cawnpore,? Bengal,? India


name: Charles Southworth
gender: Male
burial date: 09 Jul 1872
burial place: Cawnpore, Bengal, India
death date: 09 Jul 1872
age: 31
birth date: 1841
marital status: Unknown
indexing project (batch) number: B39239-3
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 499047


Can't find Margaret & Elizabeth in 1871, so perhaps they went with him to India (If the above is him???), and then returned after his death?

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 12 Jul 2012 13:37

I missed that too AnnCardiff

born 1859 - baptised 1879

wonder if that was a conversion to Cof E

St Mark's was Cof E but marriage of her parents was 'registrar attended' ie possible RC

Southworth was a common RC name associated with the Preston area

Christine

Christine Report 12 Jul 2012 19:36

Hi again

LancashireAnn- re the christening... oops didn't notice the birth date-it does look like Charles' sister
Christina and AnnCardiff-thanks for the info I will look into it-the marriage looks good as her father was described as a carter on the 1861 census and if Charles did die in India then all the pieces look like they fit
Thanks everyone for all the help

Christine