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Christine
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12 Jul 2012 19:36 |
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Hi again
LancashireAnn- re the christening... oops didn't notice the birth date-it does look like Charles' sister Christina and AnnCardiff-thanks for the info I will look into it-the marriage looks good as her father was described as a carter on the 1861 census and if Charles did die in India then all the pieces look like they fit Thanks everyone for all the help
Christine
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lancashireAnn
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12 Jul 2012 13:37 |
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I missed that too AnnCardiff
born 1859 - baptised 1879
wonder if that was a conversion to Cof E
St Mark's was Cof E but marriage of her parents was 'registrar attended' ie possible RC
Southworth was a common RC name associated with the Preston area
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Christina(Lancashire)
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11 Jul 2012 23:23 |
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Could Charles have joined the army and died abroad?
Charles Southworth India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948 birth: 1841 death: 09 Jul 1872 burial: 09 Jul 1872 Cawnpore,? Bengal,? India name: Charles Southworth gender: Male burial date: 09 Jul 1872 burial place: Cawnpore, Bengal, India death date: 09 Jul 1872 age: 31 birth date: 1841 marital status: Unknown indexing project (batch) number: B39239-3 system origin: India-EASy source film number: 499047
Can't find Margaret & Elizabeth in 1871, so perhaps they went with him to India (If the above is him???), and then returned after his death?
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AnnCardiff
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11 Jul 2012 22:57 |
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Christine - the Elizabeth Ann I posted IS 1859 not 1879 :-)
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Christina(Lancashire)
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11 Jul 2012 22:41 |
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Remarriage for Margaret.......
Marriage: 16 Sep 1874 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England Robert Davies - 38 Clogger Widower of London Rd Margaret Southworth - 36 Widow of Wellfield Rd Groom's Father: late Robert Davies, Clogger Bride's Father: Richard Wilson, Carter Witness: Thomas Wilson; M. A. Davies Married by License by: John Homer Killick, Curate Register: Marriages 1873 - 1875, Page 169, Entry 338 Source: LDS Film 94000
And 1881 census.......
1881 England Census about Margaret Davies Name: Margaret Davies Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Robert Davies Gender: Female Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Fishwick County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 79 London Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Trinity ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4225 Folio: 47 Page Number: 88 Household Members: Name Age Robert Davies 45 ......Shopkeeper & Clogger Margaret Davies 43 Eliza Davies 19....Milliner & Dressmaker Margaret Davies 11 James Davies 8
All listed as born in Preston.
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11 Jul 2012 20:07 |
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Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841 SOUTHWORTH Charles -Brindle/Withnell Preston - Mmn YATES
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Christine
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11 Jul 2012 19:07 |
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Hi all Thanks for all the replies. AnnCardiff-Charles did have a sister Elizabeth Ann but she was born 1859 not 1879 Shirley-yes that's his birth Maddie- I don't think this Elizabeth Ann is mine. I think this Elizabeth and Joseph were born to John Southworth and Ellen Standen who married in 1857 lancashireann-yes I have have his parents marriage Margaret Wilson was born 1837 in Tarleton (Preston) Reggie- On LancsBMD it shows the age at death no I havent found the wife and daughter after 1861 the daughter was born in Preston
Thanks everyone for looking Christine
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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11 Jul 2012 18:35 |
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1861 England Census about Margaret Southward Name: Margaret Southward [Margaret Southworth] Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Richard Wilson Gender: Female Where born: Tarleton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Preston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 16 Piece: 3130 Folio: 5 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Richard Wilson 50 Betty Wilson 47 Ellen Wilson 19 Thomas Wilson 17 John Wilson 13 Richard Wilson 10 William Wilson 5 Charles Southward 19 FIREMAN Margaret Southward 23 **************************
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lancashireAnn
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11 Jul 2012 17:42 |
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i assume you have Charles parents marriage?
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1841 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference SOUTHWORTH William YATES Ann Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RO/2/7
when was Margaret Wilson born
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lancashireAnn
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11 Jul 2012 17:31 |
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if that is the right Elizabeth (mmn WIlson) these are the only Josephs born Preston so did Margret die and Charles remarry?
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1869 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference SOUTHWORTH Joseph Preston Preston ATHERTON PRES/179/64 SOUTHWORTH Joseph Preston Preston LIVESEY PRES/179/64 SOUTHWORTH Joseph Walton-le-Dale Preston HULL WLD/18/51
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ErikaH
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11 Jul 2012 16:52 |
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Age at death didn't appear on the index until mid-1860's
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Maddie
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11 Jul 2012 16:49 |
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the daughter 1911 ???? SOUTHWORTH, Elizabeth Ann Head Single F 50 1861 Grocer Provision Dealer Preston Lancashire VIEW SOUTHWORTH, Joseph Brother Widower M 41 1870 Hat Grinder Preston Lancashire VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 25287
Reference: RG14PN25287 RG78PN1447 RD476 SD3 ED14 SN420
Registration District: Preston
Sub District: North Preston
Enumeration District: 14
Parish: Preston
Address: 34 Muncaster Road Preston Lancashire
County: Lancashire
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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11 Jul 2012 16:48 |
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looks like his birth Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: SOUTHWORTH, Charles Registration district: Chorley County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1841 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 21 Page no: 307
Chorley reg district covered Hoghton
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11 Jul 2012 16:46 |
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You haven't said whether you've found his wife and daughter after 1861
Where was the daughter born?
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AnnCardiff
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11 Jul 2012 16:44 |
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sister?
Elizabeth Ann Southworth England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 03 Aug 1859 christening: 04 Jul 1879 St. Mark's,? Preston,? Lancashire,? England residence: 1859 Preston,? Lancashire,? England parents: William Southworth,? Ann
name: Elizabeth Ann Southworth gender: Female baptism/christening date: 04 Jul 1879 baptism/christening place: St. Mark's, Preston, Lancashire, England birth date: 03 Aug 1859 father's name: William Southworth mother's name: Ann indexing project (batch) number: C16228-1 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1471020
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Christine
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11 Jul 2012 16:36 |
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Hmmm - he is elusive isnt he........ :-) have to nip out now but will check back in later
Christine
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Christine
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11 Jul 2012 15:58 |
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Hi Charles was born in Hoghton Lancs in 1841 and married Margaret Wilson in 1861 in Preston. They had a daughter Elizabeth Ann in 1862. I have Charles with his family (parents William and Ann and siblings) in 1851 and with his in-laws and Margaret in 1861, both years in Preston........he then seems to disappear of the face of the earth. I cannot find him in any later census and there doesn't seem to be an age appropriate death for him. If any one has a little time I wonder if you can try to locate him for me. Thanks in advance Christine
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