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There are several removal orders in the nationalarchives, 1844 and 1845 for Ann Eliza, husband John( Absent), plus children. This was to remove them from Toxeth, Liverpool to Great Driffield/Bridlington, Yorkshire which is why i am thinking that is where they cam from.. Am I correct that they would have tried to remove the family back to their place of settlement in order to avoid being a drain on the poor law funds... can someone confirm this for me??

One of the witnesses to the marriage by licence at Toxteth Park, St James, appears to be Mary St**y Parry

1851 England Census

Name: Ann E Scobie
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Visitor
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bristol, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England



Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 1aa
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Piece: 2183
Folio: 352
Page Number: 61
Household Members:
Name Age
George Standen 31
Ann Standen 34
Caroline E Standen 4
Henry G Standen 3
Ann E Scobie 31
John H Scobie 15
Charlotte K Scobie 13
Sarah A I Scobie 10
James F Scobie 8
Richard Fairfield 20

1851 England Census
Name: Ann E Scobie
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Visitor
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bristol, Somerset, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 1aa
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Piece: 2183
Folio: 352
Page Number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
George Standen 31
Ann Standen 34
Caroline E Standen 4
Henry G Standen 3
Ann E Scobie 31
John H Scobie 15
Charlotte K Scobie 13
Sarah A I Scobie 10
James F Scobie 8
Richard Fairfield 20






1861 England Census
Name: Ann Eliza Scobie
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 9f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 138
Piece: 2728
Folio: 84
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Eliza Scobie 42
Charllote Kate Scobie 22
James Francis Scobie 18
Charllot Kate Scobie 6 Months
Sarah Ann Scobie 20

1841 England Census
about Eliza Scoby
Name: Eliza Scoby
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 567
Book: 6
Folio: 29
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Catharine Matthews 60 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<Eliza' mom?
John Scoby 35
Eliza Scoby 25
John Henry Scoby 5
Charlotte Kate Scoby 3
Sarah Ann Scoby 1

I have deleted all of the details which I posted - to avoid cluttering up the thread with irrelevancies

1841

Name: John Henry Scoby
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 567
Book: 6
Folio: 29
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Catharine Matthews 60
John Scoby 35
Eliza Scoby 25
John Henry Scoby 5
Charlotte Kate Scoby 3
Sarah Ann Scoby 1

Neither John nor Eliza was born in Lancashire

I take it this is the Bowman you mention?


Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: James Francis Scobie
Birth Date: 23 Jul 1842
Baptism Date: 9 May 1851
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Father's Name: John Bowman Scobie
Mother's name: Ann Eliza Scobie

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Clarlotte Kate Scobie
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 48
Marriage Date: 26 Oct 1886
Parish: Liverpool St Saviour
Spouse's Name: Mark Vinrace
Father's Name: John Bowman Scobie
Spouse Father's Name: Luke Vinrace




England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
Name: Ann Eliza Mathews
Gender: Female
Spouse's Name: John Bowman Skoby
Marriage Date: 22 Mar 1835
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

I cant read the witnesses, if you dont have it, I can send it to you........just shout

Dear Reggie.
Yes , I am a bit of a newbie, and I have already apologised . But, sorry again for time wasting. Martin.

on the 1841 census, under whether born in county it says N. The next column, where it says born scotland, ireland or foreign.. has been left blank. Do we take this to mean he was born in England but not in Lancashire .

1841 census toxeth park, west derby, liverpool
John Scobie 1806 mariner

plus family

Dear Regie and maddie.
Thanks so much for the quick reply . Sorry I should have added it is the John Scoby from Penrith st, toxteth park, wife eliza , son, John Henry (My gggdad)

Hope it helps John died quite yooung leaving wife and family .
Thanks again.
Martin.

Groom's Name: William Scobey
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Jane Swales
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 09 Aug 1802
Marriage Place: Oswaldkirk,York,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01721-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 0844560 IT 8
Reference Number:

Name: John Scobey
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 19 Jun 1803
Baptism/Christening Place: OSWALDKIRK,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Scobey
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Jane
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01721-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 0844560 IT 8
Reference Number:

Good morning all in the forum.
John Scobie/skoby born about 1806 may be in Yorkshire. In the 1841 census it says There may be a connection to bowman or boman scobie or lazenby I am looking for his father or further back . I am a bit stalled now.
Any help appreciated . Thanks .
Martin.