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Hello, everyone. I am researching this family, but having difficulty finding information about his marriage, to Mary, possibly Hardman.
I think he was born in Cheshire and know he was a coal merchant there and that his son, also a coal merchant, was b. 1820 in Manchester and later lived in Chester.
I have found details about a Benjamin Lyons with an "s" who was also in Chester, but a cement manufacturer, and I do not think he is the same person, because he mentions no children in his Will.
Anyone have any advice, or clues?

Just putting him 1841 for ref. I am assuming you have occupation on his son's marriage cert?:


1841 England Census

Name: Benjamin Lyons coal m.
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male

Civil parish: St Oswald
Hundred: Broxton (Lower Division)
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Castle Division

Benjamin Lyons 45
Mary Lyons 40

This is the Benjamin who married Mary Holden I would say, as he is visiting the Holden family. I would say there is a pretty strong chance he is your Benjamin. Who is his son?:

1851 England Census

Name: Bengt Lyons slate merchant
[Benjamin Lyons]
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Chiestleton, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Tranmere
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Cheshire

Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 2f

Thomas Holden 34
Mary Ann Holden 33
Thomas Holden 10
Ellen Holden 8
Elizabeth Davies 29
Amelia Davies 3
Ellen Simcock 14
Henry Vanderzee 22
Martha Rowlands 25
Bengt Lyons 59
Mary Lyons 53

Please give us the name of the son - to enable us to work backwards

OK - for INFO

1861


Name: John Hardman Lyon
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Chester St Mary on the Hill
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Chester Castle
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 111
Piece: 2627
Folio: 108
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hardman Lyon 41
Charlotte Lyon 13
John Arthur Lyon 11
Mary Hardman Lyon 8
Frederick Hamilton Lyon 4

Marriages Sep 1847 (>99%)

HAMILTON Charlotte Great Boughton 19 25
Lyon John Hardman Gt Boughton 19 25

Apologies, got Hardman'Holden mixed up! However, don't dismiss it, just about possible it is the same family, given the inaccuracies of the time. I am guessing from what you say that this is where you have got to also.
Jan

Name: John Hardman Lyon
Occupation: Coal Merchant
Father: Benjamin Lyon
Father's Occupation: Coal Merchant
Marriage Date:15 Sep 1847
Age:27y
Record Group:Part 1 - 1. Ref ID:item 2 p 199
Spouse's Forenames:Charlotte Surname: Hamilton
Spouse's Age: 23y
Spouse's Father's Name: Frederick Hamilton
Parish:St. John the Baptist. City / Town:Chester. County:Cheshire

A late christening?
Name: John Hardman Lyons
Sex: Male
Christening Date: 28 Jun 1829
Date of Birth:
Location: Tattenhall
Father: Benjamin Lyons
Mother: Mary
City or Town: Tattenhall. County:Cheshire

."England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," Benjamin Lyons, 1817
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No image available Search collectionAbout this collectionGroom's Name: Benjamin Lyons
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Bride's Name: Mary Hardman
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Marriage Date: 20 Jul 1817
Marriage Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00546-5
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 438190, 438191
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Dear Reggie,
Thank you very much for your reply re Benjamin Lyon of Chester. I knew that John Hardman Lyon married Charlotte Hamilton in 1847; the occupation of Benjamin Lyon is from their marriage certificate. My ancestor is Frederick Hamilton Lyon, aged 4 on the data you have kindly presented.
It is Benjamin who is presenting the brick wall. I do not think he is the same person as Benjamin Lyons. I have a Death Cert. for Mary Lyon, wife of Benjamin Lyon, 1851, and the Will of Benjamin LyonS does not mention any children. Ergo--not the same person. What do you think?
Please excuse me if I am a little bit awkward, as I have only recently joined Genes Reunited.
Best wishes
from Helix 14.

I do believe the 1841 is correct for Benjamin, do you agree? Occ. matches.
Jan

Thank you everyone for your replies re Benjamin Lyon, coal merchant, of Chester.
I have some details about Benjamin LYONS, cement manufactuer, of Chester, and of his Will, which does not mention any children, and that is one reason for my suspicion that there are 2 people of a similar name living in Victorian or Regency times in Chester. That Benjamin Lyon, without the "s" is a differnt person is implied by the death certificate of his wife Mary Lyon, in 1851.--and by the family Lyon continuing as Lyon not Lyons. But I still can't explain the Hardman connection!
If anyone has an inspiration, please help me with this difficulty.

This Benjamin is a Corn Miller and Cement Manufacturer in 1871.

LYONS, Benjamin Head M 79 1792 Cheshire
LYONS, Eliza Wife F 69 1802 Shropshire
Piece:3727 Folio:78 Page: 62
Registration District: Chester. Civil Parish: Great Boughton
Address: Tarvin Road, Great Boughton. County: Cheshire


The John Hardman Lyon marriage posted earlier by me above has him living in Christleton, Cheshire which makes brummiejan's 1851 census above look good.

There are a number of articles in the British Newspaper Archives dated 1859 about a Benjamin Lyon, coal merchant, of Hoole Park, Chester who was a coal, brick, tile & slate merchant and cement manufacturer. He seems to have conducted business at Tarvin Wharf.

Basically, it looks like he went bust. The articles appear to be the transfer of his assets to creditors and he was also selling his house.

In some articles he is Lyons and others Lyon, but is always of Tarvin Wharf.

Check your inbox - I'm sending you samples of the actual articles.

Seems to tie the coal and cement aspects together ........

Hard to say if the chap in the article would be the father or a son. Could even be a different chap altogether.

LIVERPOOL MERCURY - Tuesday 15 May 1855
"Marriages"

May 10, at St Nicholas', by the Rev A J Tomlin, Mr Benjamin Lyons, Boughton, Cheshire to Eliza, daughter of the late Mr Richard Sudlow of Huyton.


** Is this a remarriage for Benjamin following Mary's death? Possibly:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Benjamin Lyons, widower. Coal merchant of Boughton, Chester.
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 10 May 1855
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Eliza Sudlow, spinster. Parish of Liverpool.
Father's Name: John Lyons - Farmer
Spouse Father's Name: Richard Sudlow - Bookkeeper

Witnesses: Mary (or could be Harry) Sudlow, Caroline Margaret Sudlow & Elizabeth Tapeley ?

Standing back and taking a wide view - as it were! - this is just the same man isn't it? MarieCelete's fantastic find just clinches it surely?
Jan

Just because there are no children mentioned in the will I wouldn't rule it out. What if that was his remarriage and they'd fell out because they didn't like the stepmother?

This strengthens that the 1855 marriage is correct:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Benjamin Lyons
Probate Date: 18 Jul 1872
Death Date: 29 May 1872
Death Place: Cheshire, England
Registry: Cheshire, England

Effects under £600. The will of Benjamin Lyons late of Tarvin Bridge near Chester, cement manufacturer, proved Chester by Henry Sudlow of Liverpool, secretary to the Philharmonic Society and John Pemberton of Liverpool, Attorney at Law - the executors.


Helix - is this the record that you have the full will for?

Thank you for your helpful replies.
Yes, Benjamin LyonS did remarry after the death of his wife Mary in 1851; the certificate of her death states name is Lyon, both hers and his. The new wife was Eliza Sudlow and she seems to have been quite mature.
If Benjamin Lyon and Lyons are the same person, it is possible that John Hardman Lyon did not take kindly to the stepmother--I must say that hadn't occurred to me, so thank you very much. Do you experienced genealogists think it likely that a man might change from one surname to another in 19th Century?