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Ann, I've been given the 1911 census for Albert, Florence and Albert John who I didn't know about.

The sons that I was looking for was Richard Charles Abbiss and Ernest Abbiss. I don't think I'm going to find them so I've put that this thread is answered.

Many thanks
Maisy

care to give us his wife's name and the names of his sons?

Florence Abbiss
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Ampthill,? Bedfordshire
census: 1891 England


name: Florence Abbiss
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Female
age: 17
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Ampthill, Bedfordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Ampthill
sub-district: Ampthill
ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
civil parish: Ampthill
county: Bedfordshire

Edgar Abbiss
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Ampthill,? Bedfordshire
census: 1891 England


name: Edgar Abbiss
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 22
relationship to head of household: Boarder
birthplace: Ampthill, Bedfordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Brentford
sub-district: Brentford
ecclesiastical parish: St Georges
civil parish: Twyford Abbey Ealing
county: Middlesex

Frank Andrew Abbiss
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Ampthill,? Bedfordshire
census: 1911 Kingston On Thames,? Kingston-?On-?Thames,? Surrey,? England


name: Frank Andrew Abbiss
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 48
birthplace: Ampthill, Bedfordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Kingston
sub-district: Kingston
parish: Kingston On Thames
county: Surrey

Alfred Henry Abbiss
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Maulden,? Bedfordshire
census: 1911 Ampthill,? Ampthill,? Bedfordshire,? England


name: Alfred Henry Abbiss
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 54
birthplace: Maulden, Bedfordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Ampthill
sub-district: Ampthill
parish: Ampthill
county: Bedfordshire

Yes Jan, I was getting my notes muddled but have corrected it above. It was his son Ernest who married Grace Dunton and he actually married Florence Graves.

I have the marriage certificate for Richard C Abbiss in front of me now. According to marriage cert. he was a corporal in the Royal Engineers and living in Streatham when he married in 1917.

Sorry for any confusion.

marriage just for info
Name: ABBISS, Richard C
Registration district: Wandsworth
County: London
Year of registration: 1917
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Nash
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 891
Name: NASH, Florence D
Registration district: Wandsworth
County: London
Year of registration: 1917
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Abbiss
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 891

Yes, jan that is Richard's birth.

Do you think there is a mix up somewhere with info you have been given ,there is this marriage
MarriageFinder: Grace J Dunton married Ernest F Abbiss
Name: DUNTON, Grace J
Registration district: Hertford
County: Hertfordshire
Year of registration: 1916
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Abbiss
Volume no: 3A
Page no: 1592
Name: ABBISS, Ernest F
Registration district: Hertford
County: Hertfordshire
Year of registration: 1916
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Dunton
Volume no: 3A
Page no: 1592


Also 1911 occupation fits what you gave for Albert

Is this Richards Birth?

Name: ABBISS, Richard Charles
Registration district: Hertford
County: Hertfordshire
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 3A
Page no: 581

Jan, Albert was a coach builder b.1861 Maulden but he married Grace Dunton in 1908 and they had 3 children according to a family member.
The children were Irene who died very young, Charles and Hilda. Charles Albert was born in 1909.

Sorry, I'm getting confused now, I think I'm getting them muddled up and need to look at my notes. Will come back soon.

It wasn't Grace Dunton that he married, that was his son Ernest. Albert married Florence Graves in 1908. So it looks like Albert had another son, Albert according to 1911 census.

marriage


Name: ABBISS, Albert Ernest
Registration district: Hertford
County: Hertfordshire
Year of registration: 1908
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 3A
Page no: 1226
MarriageFinder: Albert Ernest Abbiss married one of the following people:

GRAVES, Florence Elizabeth********
SAXON, Edith Charlotte
PARKER, John

On that 1911 census Albert & Florence had been married 2 years. For number of children Albert had written "3 by former wife, ages 20, 14 and 12" but it had been crossed out.

image says married 2 1/2 yrs. 1 child living . Then crossed out i think it says 3 by ? former wife total 4 ages 20 14 12

Maureen, that's interesting. maybe I need to buy the marriage certificate to be sure it's the right one. Thank you

1911
RG14PN7630 RG78PN374 RD137 SD2 ED10 SN89
Reg. District: Hertford
Sub District: Hertford
Parish: Hertford
Enum. District: 10
Address: 83 Railway ST
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
ABBISS, Albert Ernest Head Married M 50 1861 Couch Builder And Etc Maulden Bedfordshire
ABBISS, Florence Wife Married F 30 1881 Enfield Middlesex
ABBISS, Albert John Son M 1 1910 Herts Hertford

Actually,I think this is Florence:
Marriages Dec 1901
Abbiss Florence Hertford 3a 1085
BRADSHAW Henry Hugh Hertford 3a 1085

1911 census transcription details for: 154 Barry Road
RG14PN2477 RG78PN83 RD27 SD2 ED18 SN439
Reg. District: Camberwell
Sub District: Camberwell South
Parish: Camberwell
Enum. District: 18
Address: 154 Barry Road
BRADSHAW, Henry Hugh Head Married M 39 1872 Butcher Ampthill Bedford
BRADSHAW, Florence Wife Married
9 years F 38 1873 Ampthill
BRADSHAW, Evelyn Margaret Daughter F 1 1910 East Dulwich
EDWICK, Agnes Florence Servant Single F 23 1888 Cashier Wandsworth
STAPLES, Nellie Florence Servant Dom Single F 21 1890 Domestic Servant Camberwell


Maureen

Albert E Abbis
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1860 Maulden,? Bedfordshire
residence: 1871 Ampthill,? Ampthill,? Bedfordshire,? England
parents: Frederick Abbis,? Margaret Abbis


name: Albert E Abbis
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 11
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Maulden, Bedfordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Ampthill
sub-district: Ampthill
event parish: Ampthill
county: Bedfordshire