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Hi
I am trying to find any information on Jessie, daughter of Jane Johnston/e and George Sim. Jessie was born abt 1876 in Lancashire. In the 1881 census she was living with her parents at 18 Cellar Boundary St Liverpool, Lancashire living with mother Jane and 7 siblings. I have not been able to find a birth or death record or another census with her in it.

Can anyone please help me?

Thanks in anticipation

Kerryn :-)

Just for our info so we can see the family
1881 census transcription details for: 18, Cellar Boundary Street E, Liverpool
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 3595
Folio: 85
Page: 47
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: St Martin
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 18, Cellar Boundary Street E, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SIM, Jane Head Married F 35 1846 Husd At Sea
Scotland
SIM, Wm Son Single M 16 1865 Carter
Sunderland, Durham
SIM, John Son Single M 14 1867 Shop Boy (Mess)
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
SIM, George Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
SIM, James Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
SIM, Cath Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Lpool, Lancashire
SIM, Jessie Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Lpool, Lancashire
SIM, Lilly Daughter Single F 3 1878
Lpool, Lancashire
SIM, Mary Daughter Single F 1 1880
Lpool, Lancashire

1901 census transcription details for: 36, Crete Street, Kirkdale
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3465
Folio: 31
Page: 54
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Kirkdale
Parish: Kirkdale
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 36, Crete Street, Kirkdale
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SIM, Jane Head Widow F 55 1846
Scotland
SIM, Mary E Daughter Single F 21 1880 Rubber Factory Hand
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Thomas Son Single M 15 1886 Flour Mills Labourer
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Florence Daughter Single F 13 1888
Liverpool, Lancashire
HITCHIN, John Boarder Married M 40 1861 Engine Fitter
Liverpool, Lancashire

brother James

1901 census transcription details for: 29, Lynton Street, Salford
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3735
Folio: 108
Page: 25
Reg. District: Salford
Sub District: Regent Road
Parish: Salford
Enum. District: 29
Ecclesiastical District: Ordsall in Salford St Clement
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 29, Lynton Street, Salford
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SIM, James Head Married M 29 1872 Grain Porter
Jarrow, Durham
SIM, Eleanor Wife Married F 22 1879
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Eleanor J Daughter F 1 1900
Liverpool, Lancashire




you may already have these but posting as i find them

1911 census transcription details for: 21 Mitylene St Kirkdale Liverpool
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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN22444 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED1 SN332
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Kirkdale
Parish: Kirkdale
Enum. District: 1
Address: 21 Mitylene St Kirkdale Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SIM, Thomas Head Single M 25 1886 Flour Miller Liverpool Lancashire
SIM, Jane Mother Widow F 65 1846 Peterhead Scotland Resident
SIM, Mary Eleanor Sister Single F 31 1880 Rubber Factory Hand Liverpool Lancashire
SIM, Florence Sister Single F 23 1888 Envelope Maker Liverpool Lancashire


Jane states she had 12 children and lost 2 have you identified the lost children ??

cant see why Jessie wouldnt be reg especially as its after 1875 when there were penalties for none or late registration


her sister

Births Sep 1873
SIM Catherine Jane W. Derby 8b 405



Marriages Jun 1899
Sim Catherine Jane W. Derby 8b 799
Hitchen John W. Derby 8b 799

looks like she married John Hitchin who is with the family in 1901 but no Catherine .maybe visting elsewhere??

she isnt with the family in 1891 BUT theres a MINA L who doesnt show on the 1881 wonder if she was Jessie??
1891 census transcription details for: 38, Zante Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2958
Folio: 114
Page: 45
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Kirkdale
Parish: Kirkdale
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 38, Zante Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SIM, George Head Married M 52 1839 Ship Carpenter
Scotland
SIM, Jane Wife Married F 45 1846
Scotland
SIM, John Son Single M 25 1866 Dock Labourer
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, James Son Single M 19 1872 Corn Miller
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Catherine Daughter Single F 17 1874 General Domestic Servant
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Annie C Daughter Single F 15 1876 General Domestic Servant
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Mina L Daughter F 13 1878 ?????
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Mary E Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Thomas J Son M 5 1886
Liverpool, Lancashire
SIM, Florence Daughter F 3 1888
Liverpool, Lancashire

Looking at the 1881 image I don't think it is Jessie, but Annie??

The way the J is written in Jane, John and James is nothing like the initial for the one transcribed as Jessie.

Births Sep 1873
SIM Catherine Jane W. Derby 8b 405

Births Sep 1875
Sim Ann Clark West Derby 8b 374


Births Sep 1879
Sim Mary Emily W. Derby 8b 270


Births Sep 1885
Sim Thomas Johnstone W. Derby 8b 418


Births Dec 1887
Sim Florence W. Derby 8b 378



not seeing Mina L or Jessie

I think you are right Christina and that would be Ann C born Sept qtr 1875 which would show as 1876 on census. I thought they were rather close together

I agree. I think she is Annie C Sim on the 1891 census with parents.

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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Name: SIM, Mina Lilly
Registration district: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1901
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 435
MarriageFinder: Mina Lilly Sim married one of the following people:

LEAR, John Henry
VERONA, Attilio
CHRISTIAN, Esther


so she did exist!!!!.is down as Lilly on the 1881 census

she married Attilio Verona
1911 census transcription details for: 307 Fountain Road Kirkdale Liverpool
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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN22446 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED3 SN208
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Kirkdale
Parish: Kirkdale
Enum. District: 3
Address: 307 Fountain Road Kirkdale Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
VERONA, Attilis Head Married M 39 1872 Able Seaman Venice
VERONA, Mina Wife Married
10 years F 32 1879 Lpool Lancashire
VERONA, Wiliam Son M 9 1902 Lpool Lancashire
VERONA, Margherita Daughter F 6 1905 Lpool Lancashire

Name: VERONA, Mina L
Registration district: Liverpool North
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1946
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 67
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 424

thank you all so much but I am now confused. Jessie and mina lily are on the same census so I would think they are different people? Is Jessie"s real name Annie C? Mina married Atillio Verona.

Another one of the family I am looking for is Catherine Jane can we find her anywhere? She married John Hitchen and he was a boarder with her family as above but she is no where to be found? Later census he was boarding else where but still without catherine but he noted he was married. would she show up if she were in hospital having a baby? just thoughts?

Should Mary be Mary Eleanor as in the 1911 census or is it definitely Mary Emily?

Ann C Sim married Alfred Butcher I think

Thanks so much for all this help

Kerryn

No Jessie is a mistranscription of the census. it isnt very well written but we think that Jessie was in fact Annie and is Ann Clark Sim born 1875 which fits in with the birth year stated,.
Mina L is another sister but cant see her birth reg but she did marry Attillo Verona.

So theres NO Jessie which is why she doesn't appear anywhere else that the mis transcription of the 1881 census

possible death
Name: Catherine J Hitchen
Birth Date: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1945
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 328

That sounds like her death, I wonder where she got to? can you see any births for her? I was told there was a son named John about 1902 but have'n't confirmed it as yet

Kerryn

not finding any births post 1911 when mmn is listed on the GRO ref

problem is theres many John Hitchen's born around that time .would cost a fortune buying certs !!