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Thanks MeJoy, I reckon this must be Thos' birth in Kent, and the S in 1851 was supposed to be an L, as it is in1871

Births Sep 1838 (>99%)
Greenville Thomas Lewrie Gravesend &c. 5 176

:-D

Just a final bit of information, just basic details

1871 Census

Hill Henry Head 64 1807
Hill Penelope Wife 61 1810
Grenville Thomas L Son in Law 32 1839 Kent
Grenville Emma Daughter 26 1845 London

Cherilyn,

Didn't see your remarriage of Elizabeth before.

Thomas' second initial is S, maybe we will find it sooner or later!!

A good day had by all, me thinks!!!

:-D

can't see his brother Thos' birth though???

well around the long way but we got there...

a pat on the back.....well done!

I think you might be right, Elizabeth remarried as a Greenville

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
Neal John Dodd St Geo Han Sq 1 5
Greenville Elizabeth

Yes this must be it going by the names on his Vic death reg!!!! (says Lingstreet!)


Marriages Mar 1843 (>99%)
Greenville William St Geo Han Sqr 1 36
Longstreet Elizabeth St Geo. Han. Sqe 1 36

Wm died in 1847.

So he was actually GREENVILLE, not GRENVILLE! :-)

thank you thank you thank you!!!

Aha!

Births Dec 1843 (>99%)
Greenville Henry John Kirkland St. Geo' Han Sqr. 1 13


Thanks MeJoy - that helped me find this!

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
Greenville Elizabeth St Geo. Han Sq 1 5
Neal John Dodd Geo St Han Sq 1 5

1851 Census

Neal John Dodd Head Married 37 1814 Railway Share Holder Culworth Northhamptonshire
Neal Elizabeth Wife Married 31 1820 Trowbridge, Wiltshire
Grenville Thomas S Stepson 12 1839 Scholar Milton, Kent
Tilbury Harriet Servant

Their address was
62, Ebury Street, St. George Hanover Square, Westminster

found this but not sure what it means or where he is - what kind of cadet?


Name:
H J K Grenville
Event: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Relationship to Head of Household: Gentleman Cadet
Birthplace: London, Middlesex
Record Type: Institution
Registration District: Easthampstead
Sub-district: 2 Sandhurst
Ecclesiastical Parish: Oxford
Civil Parish: Sandhurst
County: Berkshire

Wow, thanks! Florence certainly married late - and lived to a ripe old age too. Good for her, she married a man 11 yrs her junior! I had seen the 1990 death for her but no marriage or married name.


Is it possible to get the full household record for the 1851 below, please, anyone? (And 61 and 71 if he can be found too please!)

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name:Henry J K Grenville
Age:7
Gender:M
Birthplace:Pimlico, Middlesex
Relationship to Head of Household:Step Son
Record Type:Household

Name: FOWLER, ERNEST
Service: Australian Army
Service Number: V73262
Date of Birth: 10 Nov 1909
Place of Birth:WORKSOP NOTTS, ENGLAND
Date of Enlistment: 20 May 1941
Locality on Enlistment: BURWOOD, VIC
Place of Enlistment: SURREY HILLS, VIC
Next of Kin: FOWLER, FLORENCE
Date of Discharge: 5 Jun 1943
Rank: Signalman
Posting at Discharge: SIGNALS SOUTHERN COMMAND
WW2 Honours and Gallantry: None for display
Prisoner of War: No

FOWLER: Ernest
Death notice: 26APR2003
Death: 93
Herald Sun (Melbourne): 30APR2003

Marriage...

FOWLER: Ernest
GRENVILLE: Florence Eliz Rhoda
1941#8790

information from google search....

Henry John Hisleland Grenville
m
Mabel Ida Duthie: 17 Oct 1865 - 1905
Born: Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Died: Kensington, Victoria, Australia
ch
1) Alexander Henry Grenville: 28 Dec 1894 -
Born: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
2) Florence Elizabeth Rhoda Grenville: 08 Mar 1897 - 14 Apr 1990
Born: Maylands,Mirboo South,Gippsland, Australia
Died: Rosebud, Victoria, Australia
sp
Ernest Fowler: 10 Nov 1909 - 26 Apr 2003
Born: Worksop,Nottinghamshire, England
Died: Kerang, Victoria, Australia

Name: Mabel Ida Grenville
F: Duthie Wm
M: Unkown
Age: 36
Death Place: K Hill
Year: 1905
Reg No: 2093

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name:Henry J K Grenville
Age:7
Gender:M
Birthplace:Pimlico, Middlesex
Relationship to Head of Household:Step Son
Record Type:Household

Thanks for all that, great stuff! :-)

My father-in-law has a framed print of the Menin Gate at Midnight hanging in his lounge room! This is not his line but still, how about that.

Alexander Henry GRENVILLE

Regimental number 6989
Place of birth Hobart, Tasmania
Religion Church of England
Occupation Farmer
Address Dollar via Stoney Creek, Melbourne, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 21
Next of kin Sister, Miss F Grenville, Mildura Post Office, Mildura, Victoria
Enlistment date 30 September 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 8th Battalion, 23rd Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/25/5
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A20 Hororata on 23 November 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 8th Battalion
Fate Killed in Action 20 September 1917
Commemoration details The Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial (Panel 7), Belgium
The Menin Gate Memorial (so named because the road led to the town of Menin) was constructed on the site of a gateway in the eastern walls of the old Flemish town of Ypres, Belgium, where hundreds of thousands of allied troops passed on their way to the front, the Ypres salient, the site from April 1915 to the end of the war of some of the fiercest fighting of the war.

The Memorial was conceived as a monument to the 350,000 men of the British Empire who fought in the campaign. Inside the arch, on tablets of Portland stone, are inscribed the names of 56,000 men, including 6,178 Australians, who served in the Ypres campaign and who have no known grave.

The opening of the Menin Gate Memorial on 24 July 1927 so moved the Australian artist Will Longstaff that he painted 'The Menin Gate at Midnight', which portrays a ghostly army of the dead marching past the Menin Gate. The painting now hangs in the Australian War Memorial, Canberra, at the entrance of which are two medieval stone lions presented to the Memorial by the City of Ypres in 1936.

Since the 1930s, with the brief interval of the German occupation in the Second World War, the City of Ypres has conducted a ceremony at the Memorial at dusk each evening to commemorate those who died in the Ypres campaign.

Panel number, Roll of Honour,
Australian War Memorial 53
Other details War service: Western Front


Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal