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24 May 2012 02:23 |
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I am looking for information on the following fellow, James (son of James of Kendal, England).
The Mercury, Tuesday 10 July 1900 Marriages. CAPSTICK-DUTHIE.-On June 8, at the Collins-street Congregational Church, Melbourne, by the Rev. Dr. Bevan, James, eldest son of James Capstick, Kendal, England, to G. E. M. (Nurse Duthie, Hobart), eldest daughter of the late W. Vincent Duthie of Ballarat.
He died in 1937 aged 75 in Victoria. Gertrude was born 1864 and died in 1938; I don't think they had any children. (I have the DUTHIE ancestors sorted for now, just looking for info on James please) :-)
Was he previously married? When did he come to Australia? Who were his parents?
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24 May 2012 02:26 |
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1881 Census???
Edward SPEIGHT M Male 30 Kendal, Westmorland, England Butcher Farmer Of 40 Acres Grace SPEIGHT M Female 28 Windermere, Westmorland, England Annie Jane SPEIGHT Female 5 Windermere, Westmorland, England Scholar Charles Edwin SPEIGHT Male 3 Windermere, Westmorland, England Scholar Edward Clapham SPEIGHT Male 2 Windermere, Westmorland, England Arthur Clifton SPEIGHT Male 3 m Windermere, Westmorland, England Agness CLAPHAM U Female 26 Windermere, Westmorland, England Nurse (Sub Med) Isabella WALKER U Female 18 Lamorby, Cumberland, England Gen Serv Dom >>>James CAPSTICK U Male 20 Kendal, Westmorland, England Butchers Man Christopher GIBSON U Male 18 Ambleside, Westmorland, England Butchers Apprentice
Source Information: Dwelling Victoria Street Census Place Applethwaite, Westmorland, England Family History Library Film 1342255 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5206 / 85 Page Number 40
Is this his family in 1881???
James CAPSTICK Head M Male 43 Sedbergh, York, England Tailor & Woollen Draper Emp 7 Men & 3 Boys Eliz. CAPSTICK Wife M Female 45 Kendal, Westmorland, England Hannah CAPSTICK Daur U Female 17 Kendal, Westmorland, England Fredk. CAPSTICK Son U Male 16 Kendal, Westmorland, England Chas. B. CAPSTICK Son Male 14 Kendal, Westmorland, England Scholar Geo. A. CAPSTICK Son Male 12 Kendal, Westmorland, England Scholar Walter S. CAPSTICK Son Male 11 Kendal, Westmorland, England Scholar Frances M. CAPSTICK Daur Female 7 Kendal, Westmorland, England Scholar Cecilia BIRKETT Sister In Law U Female 52 Kendal, Westmorland, England Visitor Sarah GASS Serv U Female 20 Kendal, Westmorland, England General Dom Serv
Source Information: Dwelling 6 Castle Villas Census Place Kendal, Westmorland, England Family History Library Film 1342257 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5214 / 92 Page Number 24
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24 May 2012 02:28 |
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or with his in-laws, wife and child (occupation is a better fit with his father's line of work)
John LEATHER Head M Male 64 Kendal, Westmorland, England Loom Tuner Agnes LEATHER Wife M Female 60 Kendal, Westmorland, England William LEATHER Son U Male 20 Kendal, Westmorland, England Carpet Wea Margaret LEATHER Daur U Female 18 Mealbank, Westmorland, England Worsted Twister Mary BENSON Aunt U Female 77 Kendal, Westmorland, England >>> James CAPSTICK Son In Law M Male 20 Heversham, Westmorland, England Woollen Spinner Dinah CAPSTICK Daur M Female 22 Kendal, Westmorland, England Woollen Twister Susanna CAPSTICK Gd Daur Female 2 Kendal, Westmorland, England
Source Information: Dwelling Fold Yd 7 Census Place Kendal, Westmorland, England Family History Library Film 1342257 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5213 / 8 Page Number 7
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Cherilyn
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24 May 2012 02:30 |
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fits with
Deaths Jun 1899 (>99%) Capstick Dinah 40 Kendal 10b 455
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24 May 2012 02:54 |
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He was still in England in 1901
1901 England Census about James Capstick Name: James Capstick Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Kendal, Westmorland, England Civil parish: Kendal Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: Kendal Sub-registration district: Kendal James Capstick 41 Susannah Capstick 22 John Capstick 18 Thomas Capstick 14 Rosina Capstick 10
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24 May 2012 02:56 |
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Aha, thanks Jax. So maybe the first Jas as butcher is more likely...?
There were certainly a lot of Capsticks in Kendal!
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Vera2010
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24 May 2012 07:35 |
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Cherilyn
For info
1871 England Census about James Capstick Name: James Capstick Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Capstick Mother's Name: Elizabeth Capstick Gender: Male Where born: Kendal Civil parish: Kendal Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Kendal County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: Kendal Sub-registration district: Kendal ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 45 Piece: 5287 Folio: 45 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age James Capstick 33 Elizabeth Capstick 36 James Capstick 9 Hannah Capstick 7 Frederick Foster Capstick 6 Charles Birkett Capstick 4 George Alfred Capstick 2 Walter Squire Capstick 1 Hannah Birkett 27 Possible James for the 1881 you posted married to Agnes and remained in UK settling in Birkenhead, Lancs working as Butcher, Slaughterman and in 1911 ? ship's butcher.
1891 England Census about James Capstick Name: James Capstick Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Agnes Capstick Gender: Male Where born: Kendal, Westmorland, England Civil parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Occupation: Butcher
Registration district: Birkenhead Sub-registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2881 Folio: 26 Page Number: 45
Household Members: Name Age James Capstick 29 Agnes Capstick 27 Edward B Capstick 5 Kate Capstick 3 William Capstick 1 William Nicholson 69 Hugh Lees 31 John Devenport 26 Richard Caddick 22 1901 England Census about James Capstick Name: James Capstick Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Agnes Capstick Gender: Male Where born: Kendal, Westmorland, England Civil parish: Hoylake cum West Kirby Ecclesiastical parish: Hoylake Holy Trinity County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Occupation: Slaughterman Registration district: Wirral Sub-registration district: Woodchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 66 Piece: 3387 Folio: 77 Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age James Capstick 39 Agnes Capstick 37 Edward B Capstick 15 Kate Capstick 13 Alfred Capstick 6 Frank Capstick 3 Redvers N Capstick 1
1911 England Census James crossed out as well as Edward and Kate who were married - possibly on board ship. about James Capstick Name: James Capstick Age in 1911: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Civil parish: Toxteth Park County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 326 Park Road Liverpool Marital Status: Married Occupation: Ship ?? looks like Butcher Registration district: Toxteth Park Registration District Number: 454 Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park South West ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 22237
Household Members: Name Age James Capstick 49 - James name crossed through Agnes Capstick 47 Edward Capstick 21 Kater Capstick 23 Alfred Capstick 16 Frank Capstick 13 Redworth Capstick 11 Dorothy Capstick 9 Annie Capstick 7 Jack Capstick 5
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Cherilyn
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24 May 2012 08:45 |
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Thanks, Vera.
The James jnr in the 1871 looks good for the eldest son of James of Kendal.
I agree the other Jas as butcher with Agnes seems to be the first 1881 I posted...so still need to find 'my' Jas jnr in 1881.
Will have another look.
No luck - does seem to fit as the butcher one - unless he was already in Australia by 1881?
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24 May 2012 09:01 |
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A different tack - is there a James CAPSTICK snr in Kendal in 1901 (given Jas jnr married in 1900 in Australia and it stated his father was there at the time!)
I guess born c1835 +/- 10yrs.
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Vera2010
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25 May 2012 08:31 |
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I thought perhaps he had headed for Australia between 1871 and 1881 but can't find anything on him travelling out although there was one moving from New Zealand to Melbourne in 1887 but no record from UK to NZ.
I can only find 3 likely James born at that time in that area but then he may have been born elsewhere and the press record just showing where his father was living at the time of marriage.
I'll take a look for James Snr.
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25 May 2012 09:07 |
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Forgot I looked at James Snr and family previously. Elizabeth died im 1884 and James Snr re-married Matilda Wheeler. In 1891 he was living with Matilda, Florence M (Frances M) and Walter S. In 1901 he is with Matilda and the son of that marriage.
I've just noticed that in 1861 James Snr appears to be lodging in Kendal and next door is an E Capstick with wife Fanny. E Capstick born same place as James Snr and is a Butcher. Wonder when he married Elizabeth ? and had James Jnr.
1891 England Census about James Capstick Name: James Capstick Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda Capstick Gender: Male Where born: Howgill, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Kendal Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: Kendal Sub-registration district: Kendal ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4332 Folio: 61A Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age James Capstick 53 Matilda Capstick 37 Walter S Capstick 21 Florence M Capstick 17 Ernest S Jones 29 Margaret Ridding 18 dob not right on this one - Enummerator scored thru age most likely 63. Still working as a Tailor on his own account. 1901 England Census about James Capstick Name: James Capstick Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda Capstick Gender: Male Where born: Howgill, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Kendal Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: Kendal Sub-registration district: Kendal ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 117 Piece: 4913 Folio: 14 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age James Capstick 53 Matilda Capstick 47 John D Capstick 9
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27 May 2012 07:21 |
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Thanks, Vera, bit confused not sure if we have sorted this or not!
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27 May 2012 08:10 |
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Bearing in mind the daughters name, I think this may be the christening of the James Capstick married to Dinah Leather on that 1881 census - states he was born Heversham which is a couple of miles from Milnthorpe:
James Capstick Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Jun 1860 Baptism/Christening Place: MILNTHORPE,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Susannah Capstick Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06165-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 97400
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27 May 2012 08:19 |
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Looks like Susannah had 2 other children - Isabella ch Milnthorpe 23/2/1857 and Edward born 1863, ch Kendal 1/6/1869. They are on the 1871 census as Capstick, but Susannah going by the name Smith.
Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BROWNRIGG John Kendal 10b 1032 Capstick Susannah Kendal 10b 1032 <<<<<< SMITH Joseph Kendal 10b 1032 <<<<<< Unsworth Eleanor A Kendal 10b 1032
She then married Horatio Duty in 1873 & was on the 1881 census in Kirkby Kendal.
Think, if the christening for James is correct he can be ruled out?
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27 May 2012 09:29 |
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Cherilyn
ha ha your confused. I confuse myself all the time on here. I was leaning more towards your original 1881 of the James who was working as a Butcher in the 1881 census with the Speight family. Only because there was that tenuous link to the Capstick's and butchering/butchery in the 1861 census of James Snr and next door neighbour E Capstick (possibly James Snr's brother)
Of the 3 Capstick's I could find - one married Dinah and as Jax posted was still in UK in 1901, one appeared to have married and settled in Liverpool. So possibly James 1881 with the Speights is linked to the 1881/1871 family James Snr b Yorkshire - Tailor/Draper and Elizabeth. However still can't be certain because no place of birth for the James Jnr.who married in Melbourne. Do you have his marriage cert?
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27 May 2012 10:32 |
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Think Vera may be on to something. 1861 has James snr living next to Edward & Fanny - this is probably their marriage:
Marriages Jun 1857 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capstick Edward Sedburgh 9a 10 Hutchinson Fanny Sedburgh 9a 10 Hutchinson Frances Sedburgh 9a 10
Then, the christening of their son James:
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No image available Search collection About this collection Name: James Capstick Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 21 Jun 1861 Baptism/Christening Place: Kendal, Westmoreland, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Edward Capstick Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Fanny Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03947-8 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1657403 Reference Number: item 12
Marriage for James/Elizabeth?
Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Birkett Elizabeth Kendal 10b 945 99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And their son? - don't know what's gone wrong, but it didn't post registered Q1- 1862
CAPSTICK James Kendal 10b 603
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27 May 2012 10:57 |
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So the butcher James Capstick settled in Liverpool could be Edward's son, and the James Capstick born Heversham/Milnthorpe can be ruled out as well I think it only leaves the other James son of James & Elizabeth and registered Q1/1862. (The other 2 christened before this, and no sign of christening for this one.)
Wonder where he was in 1881 - can only see the other 2?? Or then again it could be this one:
MEESON, Richard Head Married M 70 1811 Musical Intrt Maker Aldermanbuy VIEW MEESON, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1837 Standon, Hertfordshire VIEW MEESON, Ricd Colling Son Single M 0 1881 Islington, Middlesex VIEW COPSTICK, James Boarder Single M 19 1862 Wool Brokers Artld Clerk Kendal, Westmorland VIEW <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SELF, Ewely Sister In Law Widow F 74 1807 Cromer, Norfolk VIEW MADDOCK, Harriet Widow F 32 1849 Domestic Servant London City Of, London, Middlesex VIEW Piece: 272 Folio: 66 Page: 5 Registration District: Islington Civil Parish: Islington Municipal Borough: Address: 14, Cole Brook Row, Islington County: London, Middlesex
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27 May 2012 12:15 |
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I can't see the one above on any future census, nor a death prior to 1901 to match him. Think he must be a stong contender for your James, I'd be inclined to order the birth certificate.
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28 May 2012 02:00 |
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oh well done Flip, he does look a good match, need to have a good think about this one! lol Vera, it is difficult when so many names the same - and there i was thinking Capstick wasn't a common name!!!
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28 May 2012 07:12 |
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Thanks Cherilyn. I think the occupation may proove a clue - lots of wool in NZ & Australia! Familysearch NZ collection has a J Capstick going back & forth between NZ & Aus, but he could just be crew and there isn't enough details to know if it's him.
Maybe someone with better access to shipping records could find him sometime between 1881/1891? Or maybe coming back to UK at some point.
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