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Hi how do I find the surname of my great great Gran
She was born in Lockerbie Scotland in 1836.
She married My great great grandad George Watt in about 1850
He was from Kirby Fore westmoreland
By the census I know she died 1908 but without a maiden name I can't
find out about her background :-S

Hi and welcome,

I can take a look for you, but no promises.

By the way the place that George Watt was from is called Kirkby Thore!

Lynne born in Kirkby Thore

Where did they marry Scotland or England?

What was her first name?

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Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
George WATT Head M Male 50 Ky Thore, Westmorland, England G Labourer
Ann WATT Wife M Female 45 Dumfries, Scotland
Mary J. WATT Daur Female 11 Ky Thore, Westmorland, England Scholar
Isabella WATT Daur Female 9 Ky Thore, Westmorland, England Scholar
William WATT Son Male 7 Ky Thore, Westmorland, England Scholar
Janett WATT Daur Female 5 Ky Thore, Westmorland, England Scholar
Barbara WATT Daur Female 2 Ky Thore, Westmorland, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Low Moor
Census Place Kirkby Thore, Westmorland, England
Family History Library Film 1342254
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5199 / 22
Page Number 2

This is a possible for George Watt, born Kirkby Thore in the 1861 census:

Name: George Watt
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirby Thore, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Asby
Ecclesiastical parish: Carlisle
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: East Ward
Sub-registration district: Orton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Piece: 3960
Folio: 13
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Wilson 79
Anne Wilson 41
William Wilson 16
Thomas Wilson 13
Isabella Wilson 3
Alexander Jackson 23
George Watt 28 - married
William Hutchinson 35

1871 census for George and Ann:

Name: George Watt
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Watt
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkby Thore, Westmorland, England
Civil parish: Kirkby Thore
Town: Kirkby Thore
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Registration district: East Ward
Sub-registration district: Appleby
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 5269
Folio: 114
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
George Watt 40
Ann Watt 35
Margaret Watt 14
Joseph Watt 12
John Watt 10
Ellen Watt 8
Sarah Ann Watt 6
George Lockbart Watt 4
Mary Jane Watt 1

1881 census:

Name: George Watt
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Watt
Gender: Male
Where born: KY Thore, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Kirkby Thore
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address: Low Moor
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: G Labourer

Registration district: East Ward
Sub-registration district: Appleby
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5199
Folio: 22
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
George Watt 50
Ann Watt 45
Mary J. Watt 11
Isabella Watt 9
William Watt 7
Janett Watt 5
Barbara Watt 2

What was her first name and what was the name of her child who is your ancestor?

1891 census:

Name: George Watt
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Watt
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkby Thore, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Temple Sowerby
Ecclesiastical parish: Ormside
Town: Temple Sowerby
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: East Ward
Sub-registration district: Appleby
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4323
Folio: 134
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
George Watt 60
Ann Watt 56
Barbara Watt 12
Thomas Watt 5 - Grandson, born Temple Sowery - 2 miles from Kirkby Thore

Births Sep 1869 (>99%)
WATT Mary Jane E. Ward 10b 558

Look on freebmd for the birth of a child - if you find one, buy the cert

This is the best bet......and probably a clue to MMN


Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
WATT George Lockhart E. Ward 10b 570

1861:

1861 England Census
about Margarett Watt
Name: Margarett Watt
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann Watt
Gender: Female
Where born: Penrith, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Great Strickland
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: West Ward
Sub-registration district: Morland
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 3961
Folio: 76
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Watt 25 wife
Margarett Watt 4
Joseph Watt 2
John Watt 9 Months
Ellen Lockhart 17 sister in law
George Lockhart 10 brother in law


Edit: Ann's POB given as Canonby

Why do people post those silly faces instead of saying 'please'?

The 1861 census states that Ann and the eldest children were living at Great Stickland.

Great Strickland as the crow flies is about 8 miles from Kirkby Thore and a few miles from Penrith where the eldest daughter Margaret was born.

Off out to work now, back later.

Lynne

????
barbara watt

Death Date: 02 Sep 1912
Death Place: Hedley, British Columbia, Canada
Name: Barbara Collin
Gender: Female
Age: 33y 11m 17d
Birth Date:
Birthplace: , England
Marital Status: Married
Spouse:
Father: George Watt
Mother: Ann Lockhart
Indian Agency:
Indian Band/Tribe:
Film Number: 1927140
Digital Folder Number: 4437641
Image Number: 120
British Columbia Archives Film Number: B13112
Registration Number: 64263

Possible baptism:

ANN LOCKHART Pedigree
Christening: 04 OCT 1835 Canonbie, Dumfries, Scotland
Parents:
Father: GEORGE LOCKHART Family
Mother: HELEN JOHNSTONE


But you really need to work backwards from yourself and confirm your findings by buying birth and marriage certs - it is very easy to follow the wrong line (been there, done that!)

PM received from Joan:

Hi her first name was Ann and her first child was my grt gran Ellen Watt.
She became Carruthers after marriage


Joan, it is better to add to the thread rather than send PMs - that way everyone can see what is being said. To come back to this thread, click on "MY Threads" at the left of the screen, then click on the thread title; type your reply in the "Add your reply" box and click on "Submit".

1841 census transcription details for: Askham, Askham
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1162
Book/Folio: 1/8
Page: 8
Reg. District: West Ward
Sub District: Lowther
Parish: Askham
Enum. District:
Address: Askham, Askham
County: Westmorland
LOCKHART, George M 30 1811 Scotland
LOCKHART, Hellen F 30 1811 Scotland
LOCKHART, John M 7 1834 Scotland
LOCKHART, Ann F 5 1836 Scotland
LOCKHART, William M 1 1840 Westmorland\.....


1851 census transcription details for: Maiden Hill, Penrith
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2425
Book: 301
Page: 25
Reg. District: Penrith
Address: Maiden Hill, Penrith
County: Cumberland
LOCKART, George Head Married M 42 1809 Agricultural Labourer
Scotland
LOCKART, Elenor Wife Married F 40 1811
Scotland
LOCKART, William Son M 11 1840 Scholar
Hackthorpe
Westmorland
LOCKART, Sarah Daughter F 9 1842 Scholar
Askham
LOCKART, Eleanor Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Kirkland
Cumberland
LOCKART, Mary Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Kirkland
Cumberland
LOCKART, James Son M 3 1848 Scholar
Preston
Silfield
Patrick
LOCKART, George Son M 0 (7 MOS) 1851 Penrith


Maureen

Christenings:

Name: Ellen Watt
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 14 Dec 1862
Baptism/Christening Place: TEMPLE SOWERBY,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Watt
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05582-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 97418
Reference Number:

Name: Sara Ann Watt
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Oct 1864
Baptism/Christening Place: KIRKBY THORE,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Watt
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05817-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 97394
Reference Number:

Name: William Watt
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Jul 1873
Baptism/Christening Place: KIRKBY THORE,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Watt
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05817-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 97394
Reference Number:

Name: George Lockhart Watt
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 May 1867
Baptism/Christening Place: KIRKBY THORE,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Watt
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Anne
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05817-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 97394
Reference Number:

Name: Mary Jane Watt
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 02 Aug 1869
Baptism/Christening Place: KIRKBY THORE,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Watt
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Anne
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05817-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 97394
Reference Number:

Name: Isabel Watt
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Aug 1871
Baptism/Christening Place: KIRKBY THORE,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Watt
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05817-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 97394
Reference Number:

Possible death for George:

Name: George Watt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: East Ward
Inferred County: Westmorland
Volume: 10b
Page: 1160 (click to see others on page)

Marriage of Sarah Ann Watt:
Name: Sarah Ann Watt
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1864
Age: 26
Father's Name: George Watt
Spouse's Name: Thomas Hewitson
Spouse's Age: 31
Spouse's Father's Name: John Hewitson
Marriage Date: 29 Mar 1890
Marriage Place: Temple Sowerby, Westmorland, England