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Bessie Chapman was definately born Kings Lynn 18th December 1870.
Her mother was Sarah Chapman ( Nee Hall)
Bessie was born at Hildons Yard kings Lynn as was my grandmother (Violet ) and my mum.

Thanks again.
You have all been great.
Thankyou

The Bessie Chapman born in Yarmouth is a different one Shirley.

Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
Chapman Bessie Yarmouth 4b 29

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
>>Chapman Bessie King's L. 4b 317

Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
Chapman Bessie Yarmouth 4b 18



Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
CHAPMAN Bessie Yarmouth 4b 21


I think this is ours


PINNER, Robert Head M 32 1839 Suffolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Sarah Wife F 36 1835 County Durham VIEW
CHAPMAN, Robert Son M 15 1856 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Lydia Daughter F 14 1857 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Ann Daughter F 11 1860 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, William R Son M 8 1863 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, John T Son M 6 1865 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Bessy Daughter F 0 1871 Norfolk VIEW
Piece:
1863 Folio:
67 Page:
17 Registration District:
Kings Lynn

Civil Parish:
St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Kings Lynn Address:
Norfolk Street Hildon's Yard, St Margaret, Kings Lynn County:
Norfolk


Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
>>Chapman Sarah King's L. 4b 948
Dyble Walter King's L. 4b 948
Embling Susannah Frances Kings Lynn 4b 948
>>PINNER Robert King's L. 4b 948

Theres no children listed after 1911 and his Army record doesn't have any children listed either. He thought she was a spinster when they married according to his declaration on his Amy record !!!

does she give a fathers name on the marriage cert to Herbert because there's several Bessie Chapman births for about the same time.

He states she was born Kings Lynn but was she ??

been looking at this one!!
1881
CHAPMAN, Robert Head M 33 1838 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Louisa Wife F 34 1837 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Alfred Son M 11 1860 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Prudence Daughter F 7 1864 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Edith Daughter F 3 1868 Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Bessey Daughter F 0 1871 Norfolk VIEW
Piece:
1790 Folio:
103 Page:
23 Registration District:
Yarmouth

Civil Parish:
Great Yarmouth Municipal Borough:
Yarmouth, Great Address:
Blyth's Buildings, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Great County:
Norfolk

and 1881

CHAPMAN, Robert Head Married M 43 1838 Bricklayer
Yarmouth
Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, M Louisa Wife Married F 44 1837 Laundress
Yarmouth
Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Alfred R Son Single M 21 1860 Ship Builder
Yarmouth
Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Prudence L Daughter Single F 17 1864
Freethorpe
Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Edith E Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Yarmouth
Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Bessie Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Yarmouth
Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Nellie S Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Yarmouth
Norfolk VIEW
CHAPMAN, Admiral H Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Yarmouth
Norfolk VIEW
Piece:
1914 Folio:
97 Page:
26 Registration District:
Yarmouth

Civil Parish:
Gt Yarmouth Municipal Borough:
Address:
9, Row 54, Gt Yarmouth County:
Norfolk

Thanks to you all.

Bessie was a busy lady.
Bessie Chapman m Thomas Stevens June 1887 4b557 Kings Lynn

Bessie Stevens m John Barrett 1901 4 b 677 Kings Lynn

Bessie Barrett m Herbert Roper 1909 4b353 Kings Lynn

Next step is to find her children.... mum thought she had 2 daughters.

When mum went to live with her around 1920 ish Bessie had a general groceries shop which mum had to work in after school.

So Bessie was a Chapman but she married a Stevens then John Barrett

So you have the right birth cert :-D

Looking at the 1911 census sheet I think Herbert filled in info in the wrong places The 5 children born against Bessie have been crossed through by the enumerator as has the married 14 years against Philip Kendle as Elizabeth isnt with him on the census. I think the 5 children are the Kendle children .

Bessie doesn't have any children with her on any census.

Hi. Well thats a result Astra. Thankyou.

My mum told me that Bessie married Barrett and then Roper.

Mum didn't know that Bessie was her aunt until I started on the family tree.
My grandmother died when mum was quite young and mum was sent to live with Bessie Roper and children.
She was very upset, as she was treated like cinderella and found it hard to believe that an aunty could treat her like that.

She refused to take part in any further family history discussions right up to when she died, as she did not want to learn any thing more about them.

Shirley...... I have not purchased the marriage cert as I only got Bessie birth cert this morning.
Was trying to find her father...............not named.

What a family !!

Frederick Bune married Mary Rix Bridges

1891
Name: Frederick W Bune
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary R Bune
Gender: Male
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England
Civil parish: South Lynn
Ecclesiastical parish: South Lynn
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: King
Sub-registration district: King
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1570
Folio: 80
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick W Bune 28
Mary R Bune 26
Mary F Bune 3
Walter H Bridges 18
Harriet L Grief 14

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1570; Folio: 80; Page: 34; GSU roll: 6096680.


So Bessie Chapman married Thomas Stevens

I have looked at the actual GRO sheet listing for that qtr of 1893 when Frederick married and theres no Bessie Chapman listed.

have you bought the actual marriage cert

Edit the info Astra has found looks promising

And then this

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
>>BARRETT John Nesbit King's L. 4b 677
Leary Sarah Ann King's L. 4b 677
PAIGE William Bennett King's L. 4b 677
>>Stevens Bessie King's L. 4b 677

followed by this

Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Barrett John Nisbett 26 King's L. 4b 203

Is this Bessie perhaps? Did she marry Thomas Stevens. There is no listing for her on the 1893 to Frederick Barrett?

1891

STEPHENS, Thomas Head Married M 25 1866 Fisherman
Kings Lynn
Norfolk VIEW
STEPHENS, Bessie Wife Married F 22 1869
Kings Lynn
Norfolk VIEW
Piece:
1569 Folio:
31 Page:
22 Registration District:
Kings Lynn

Civil Parish:
St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Kings Lynn Address:
Stephens Yard, Broad Street, St Margaret, Kings Lynn County:
Norfolk


1901

BARRETT, John Head Single M 25 1876 Fish Merchant
Kings Lynn VIEW
STEVENS, Bessie Widow F 29 1872 Housekeeper
Kings Lynn VIEW
HUGES, Annie Single F 13 1888 Domestic Servant
Kings Lynn VIEW
Piece:
1888 Folio:
91 Page:
1 Registration District:
Kings Lynn

Civil Parish:
Kings Lynn St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Address:
Chapel Street, Kings Lynn St Margaret, Kings Lynn County:
Norfolk

???
Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
Stevens Thomas 32 St. Faiths 4b 68

On the service record for the 1909 marriage Bessie is listed as a spinster but nothing in the column for verified by certificate.

Vera

Hi Shirley.

I have looked at original and it is Frederick William Barrett 4b557 so I know that is the correct marriage.

Having difficulty finding his death.
I assume its before 1909 when Bessie married Herbert Roper.

Thankyou for all the time you are spending helping me.

Have checked the GRO sheets and Bessie isnt listed in the index ??

the only marriage am picking up


Marriages Jun 1887
Bridges Mary Rix King's L. 4b 557
Brine Frederick William King's L. 4b 557
Bune Frederick William King's L. 4b 557
Chapman Bessie King's L. 4b 557
Stevens Thomas King's L. 4b 557

Thers a lady missing on that 1893 marriage. Do you have the cert to confirm its Bessie

Do you have the 1893 marriage cert ?

Just wondering what the occupation of Frederick was

Strange but there is Frederick W Barrett on 1901 but wife called Eleanor

Probably not the same man as calling himself Wiliam Frederick in 1911

1901
ROPER, Thomas Head Married M 34 1867 Dock Labourer
Kings Lynn VIEW
ROPER, Jane Wife Married F 36 1865
Kings Lynn VIEW
ROPER, Herbert Brother Single M 21 1880 Fisherman
Kings Lynn VIEW
ROPER, Abel Son M 14 1887
Kings Lynn VIEW
Piece:
1888 Folio:
100 Page:
20 Registration District:
Kings Lynn

Civil Parish:
Kings Lynn St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Address:
Temperance Buildings, Austin Street, Kings Lynn St Margaret, Kings Lynn County:
Norfolk


Elizabeth was his sister.
1891
ROPER, George Head Married M 39 1852 Labourer
Docking
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, Sarah Wife Married F 50 1841
Docking
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, Maria Daughter Single F 21 1870
Docking
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, Ernest Son Single M 19 1872 Fisherman
Docking
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, Charles Son Single M 10 1881 Fisherman
Docking
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, William Son M 16 1875 Fisherman
West Lynn
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1877
West Lynn >>>>>>>>>
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, Herbert Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Kings Lynn
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, John Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Kings Lynn
Norfolk VIEW
ROPER, Eva Daughter F 2 1889
Kings Lynn
Norfolk VIEW
Piece:
1568 Folio:
7 Page:
8 Registration District:
Kings Lynn

Civil Parish:
St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Kings Lynn Address:
Whitening Yard, North Street, St Margaret, Kings Lynn County:
Norfolk

Do I understand this correct?

Elizabeth Roper was the sister of Herbert Roper ?

Thankyou for all your help so far.