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Thank you so much you have been brilliant Just goin to work on night shift so back in touch very soon Kind regards Pam

Hi Pam

ELEANOR AUGUSTINE STOWE, age 63 years, was buried on 19 August 1929 in grave 579-A in a public grave in Dalton Cemetery. Her address was given as Ulverston Infirmary.

Jane

thank you so much very kind regards Pam

Hi Pam

I have just received a reply from the cemetery. Unfortunately, they are all in public graves in Dalton Cemetery in areas which the maps were lost in a fire. As they are in public graves, there would be no headstones.

The details are as follows:

ALICE STOW
Age 10 months of Cardigan Terrace, Dalton was buried on 3 July 1900 in grave 1670-A

EMMA STOW
Age 6 months of 33 Devonshire Street, Dalton was buried on 19 December 1908 in grave 620-N

WILLIAM STOWE
Age 47 years of 33 Devonshire Street, Dalton was buried on 12 August 1911 in grave 57-A

I only enquired about these three initially, but have just replied asking for any burial details for Ellen.

I have posted your other information off to you today too.
Jane

Thanks. just trying to establish if 27 Sydney street was a hospital in 1929 Pam

many workhouses did double as the local hospital.

Today's Ulverston Hospital is on Stanley Street as is the Community Health centre

nos 25, 27 & 29 no longer exist - because now hospital????????

Thank you so much for all of this work I have sent my address details on the other personal reply Is there any way we can find out more details as to whether Sydney Street was a hospital in 1929 I have looked at some Ulverston web sights but it does not say much about 1929
William Stow died on 30th July 1911 in North Lonsdale Hospital Barrow age 47 and his home address then was 37 Devonshire Street Dalton in Furness Thanks again Kind regards Pam

Hi Pam

I have a workhouse book and didn't take much notice of Ulverston until you mentioned it. There is a paragraph in there which I will photocopy for you. I contacted Barrow cemetery and William is definitely not there. I will contact the vicar at St Mary's to see if they are all together. I have found the death entries in the local paper for Alice, Emma, William and Ellen. I have also found school records for six of the children, although some of their dates of birth have been listed wrongly. If you pm me your address, I will post these off to you.

Jane

That is very interesting about the Workhouse wonder why she was in there need to find out more about that may be was used as hospital of some kind as well as workhouse
some individual bits about some of the children Thomas was born on 15th nov 1891 at Back Street Dalton
Nora was born on 5th April 1907
Albert was born on 17th January 1901
Emma Stow was buried in St Mary Dalton in Furness death age 6 months Buried on 19th Decemeber 1908
I would like to see if William Stow is buried with his wife near by Ellen Augustus Stow died on 15th August 1929 at 27 Stanley Street Ulverston Her home address is given as 131 Market Street Dalton Her Daugter Margaret registered the death aand she lived near by in Barrow in Furness I cant thank you enough for all the work you have done for me I hope to visit the area in June while on holiday in Blackpool and if there are graves i will come over and photograph them Kind regards Pam

Hi Pam

I checked this address on the 1911 census and it appears to be a workhouse. I wasn't expecting that many people at the address. I thought it may have been a care home too, so I checked back.

Jane

Hi Jane Thanks very much for finding electorol that is very interesting I wonder if this was some kind of care home as it is the address given as place of death ? Be back in touch soon Thanks again Pam

Hi Pam

27 Stanley Street, Ulverston - 1929

James Walker Kirkman
Annie J Kirkman
Elizabeth Agnes Sawrey
Maud Dickinson
Dorah Wilson
Sarah Taylor
Frances Eleanor Commaleach
Annie Smith
Mary Drummond
Thomas Jackson
William Hartley
Mary Ellen Pears
Millicent White
Jessie Fitzpatrick
Ellen Thompson
Eva Denny
Hilda Carter
Ada Proctor Johnson

I only had a couple of hours in the library today, so I am still on the school records and birth entries in the local paper case.

Thanks
Jane

It was e mailed to me sometime ago and when we enlarged the original we could see that it was the rightparents . Thanks Pam

how do you look at the original please. I just copied what has been transcribed on freereg The mother's name also appears to be different if this is the marriage

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
Ball Annie Ulverston 8e 1157 Scan available - click to view
>>>Harris Ellen Agustus Ulverston 8e 1157 Scan available - click to view
MOULDEN Lionel Ulverston 8e 1157 Scan available - click to view
>>>Stow William Ulverston 8e 1157

Yes that is the correct one if you enlage it you will see it is William George still doesnt get us any closer to the Birth certificate though It was suggested by experts at WDYTYR in February that it may have been missed when the local registrar sent Birth details in to GRO I have tried contacting local society at Messingham but they just keep saying it is not registerd but what I am asking therm to do is check entries for that date 27th Feb 1890 I know they are not understanding what I need them to do because they wrote to say they had done a 5 year search which they did not nee to do as we know exactly when he was born there must be an address in Messingham where they were living as they also had the 2 other young children age 2 and 3 The mystery continues Thanks Pam

looking at freereg, the baptisms for Messingham are recorded

is this a coincidence?

County Lincolnshire
Place Messingham
Church Holy Trinity
RegisterNumber 401
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 18 Apr 1890 <<<<<<<<<
Forename William Jack
Sex -
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname STOW
MotherSurname
Abode Messingham
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 10388

I am so grateful for the time you are giving to help me I would like to find the graves of the 2 children that died I am pretty certain one of them is in St Marys Any birth announcements would be good The exact date of birth foir William George Stow is 27th February 1890 and we know this because he was in the Police Force and it is on his records that we have seen at Lancashire What I cant understand is why did they go to Messingham sometime after John was born in 1888 and be back in Dalton with another child William George by the time of 1891 census Where exactly was he born in Messingvham and where were they living in Messingham as we know they were still there on 18th April for the Baptism when William George was 6 weeks old The had to be living somewhere I might check out electorol register for 1890 to see if it shows them living with family It is my mission to solve this one day May have to visit Lincolnshire I have tried the local history society but they cant solve it either Thank you one again I look forward to hearing from you Kind Regards Pam

Hi Pam

I looked up William myself. There is one born in Lincolnshire, but the previous year. Could he have perhaps been adopted into the family? Seems a long shot, but just wondered as he was born in Messingham. Perhaps an unmarried sister of his fathers? Although saying that, all the dates of birth run on consecutively. Very very strange.

I called the Public Record Office. They have the Electoral Records for Ulverston for that year, which is good. They did say they had certain school records, but will need to try and find out which schools were nearest their address when I get there.

Would you be interested in my looking for each childs birth entry in the local Evening Mail (should they have been put in there) and of course if you haven't already got them ?

What about cemetery records? Would you like me to enquire about the two Stow children and also William Stow senior?

Jane

Yes they were a large family The E was added to the surname later and we always check both spellings now as this happens a lot William George Stow is the one that has proved the most difficult as he is the only one out of all the children that does not have a Birth Certificate even thouigh I have his exact date of birth he is also the only one of the children to be born in Messingham Lincolnshire where his Father was born and all the other Stow familes All his Brothers and sisters were born in Dalton It is a big mystery and I have tried many avenues to solve it I asked the experts at WDYTUR show in February and they cant really suggest anything else I even know he was baptised on 18t April 1890 but still no Birth entry Have been trying to find it fior 5 years ? Thanks for all what you are doing Pam

Yes they were a large family The E was added to the surname later and we always check both spellings now as this happens a lot William George Stow is the one that has proved the most difficult as he is the only one out of all the children that does not have a Birth Certificate even thouigh I have his exact date of birth he is also the only one of the children to be born in Messingham Lincolnshire where his Father was born and all the other Stow familes All his Brothers and sisters were born in Dalton It is a big mystery and I have tried many avenues to solve it I asked the experts at WDYTUR show in February and they cant really suggest anything else I even know he was baptised on 18t April 1890 but still no Birth entry Have been trying to find it fior 5 years ? Thanks for all what you are doing Pam