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I have a book with newspaper snippets in and many deaths of children are recorded as 'falling on the fire' 'falling in the canal' and such like. As you say heartbreaking, but I suppose infant mortality was so frequent then that they just picked themselves up and carried on with that bit more sadness in their liives

Hi Mike

Was just reading your comment about having to bury eight children. I was researching another part of my family in burial records through the OPC of a church in Accrington. This church actually records the names, ages and causes of death. Believe me Mike it was heartbreaking, nearly every other one was a child/baby. The causes of death were things we would never assocoate with today e.g. teething, diptheria, convulsions etc.
I have never managed to find a burial for the 8 Holden children. Whether they were put in other graves, paupers graves or childrens graves I dont suppose I'll ever know.
Kathy

Hi Mike

Never thought of that one. Will give it a go.
Kathy

Maybe he joined the forces

Don't suppose he was a witness on either of his siblings marriage certs ?

Thank you all for your replies. It is the James Holden I cant't seem to find at all after 1901. John his brother, married Mary Agnes Kellett in 1913 and Mary Alice married my grandad John James Whalley in 1902. I have details of the siblings that died but James is a mystery.
Kathy

Fancy having to bury 8 children.
Doesn't bear thinking about :-(

oops - had not looked for deaths so that only leaves the 3 named by Kathy

There are infant deaths for 8 of the children including Thomas Melling Holden aged 3

there seem to have been 11 children born to William & Alice. Could James have been living with one of them in 1911

for info William & Alice's marriage - note the name of one of the witnesses

Marriage: 31 May 1879 St Luke, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
William Holden - 20 weaver bachelor of 14 Turner Street
Alice Melling - 17 weaver spinster of 14 Throstle Street
Groom's Father: James Holden, weaver
Bride's Father: Thomas Melling, traveller
Witness: James Whalley; Ellen Aspin, (X)
Married by Banns by: John Noble, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1893 - 1900, Page 14, Entry 28
Source: LDS Film 1470819

is the Thomas Melling connected to the thread about the Melling family that I was looking at (just curious)

Mary Alice's baptism - unfortunately lan-opc baptisms for St Mary's stop at 1881

Baptisms: 14 Jul 1880 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Mary Alice Holden - Child of William Holden & Alice
Born: 1 Jul 1880
Abode: 5 Witton Parade
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: W. Scholes, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1873 - 1881, Page 680
Source: LDS Film 1278805

The James baptism above may be son of this couple

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1883
HOLDEN William - SMITH Alice -St. John, Abram -Wigan & Leigh

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Name:James Holden
Gender:Male
Baptism/Christening Date:29 Jun 1884
Baptism/Christening Place:Abram, Lancashire, England
Name Note:Abode Bickershaw
Father's Name:William Holden
Mother's Name:Alice Holden

Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C00922-8
System Origin:England-EASy
Source Film Number:1885642
Reference Number:yr 1838-1897

Background info


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MARY ALICE HOLDEN
Christening: 14 JUL 1880 Saint Mary, Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HOLDEN
Mother: ALICE

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Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
HOLDEN Mary Alice- Witton Blackburn- MELLING -

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882
HOLDEN James -Blackburn Blackburn- MELLING -

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1890
HOLDEN John -Darwen Blackburn- MELLING



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Marriages Jun 1879

BRADLEY William Blackburn 8e 438
Holden Susannah Blackburn 8e 438
Holden William Blackburn 8e 438
MELLING Alice Blackburn 8e 438

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1879

MELLING Alice -HOLDEN William -Witton, St Luke with St Phillips Blackburn

1911 just for info on Mary

WHALLEY, Jns James Head Married M 29 1882 Cotton Weaver Blackburn Lancs VIEW
WHALLEY, Mary Alice Wife Married
7 years F 30 1881 Cotton Weaver Blackburn Lancs VIEW
WHALLEY, William Son Single M 7 1904 School Blackburn Lancs VIEW
WHALLEY, Edith May Daughter Single F 4 1907 Blackburn Lancs VIEW
WHALLEY, John Son Single M 2 1909 Blackburn Lancs VIEW
WHALLEY, Jane Sister Single F 22 1889 Cotton Weaver Blackburn Lancs VIEW
HOLDEN, William Uncle Married M 51 1860 Cotton Weaver Blackburn Lancs VIEW
HOLDEN, Alice Aunt Married
32 years F 49 1862 Blackburn Lancs VIEW
HOLDEN, John Cousin Single M 21 1890 Jacquard Tackler Blackburn Lancs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25079 Reference:
RG14PN25079 RG78PN1436 RD474 SD5 ED19 SN290

Registration District:
Blackburn Sub District:
Blackburn South Western Enumeration District:
19 Parish:
Blackburn

Address:
66 Hollin St Blackburn Lancashire's

Okay - Blackburn

Born where ?

Would anyone have any information on James Holden. Last known address on 1901 census 18 Portland St., Blackburn living with parents William (c1860) and Alice (c1862) Holden. Also on census siblings Mary Alice (c1881), who married John James Whalley and John (c1890) who married Mary Agnes Kellett. James could have left the district or emigrated. He was a cotton mill labourer.
Tks
Kathy