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hello ive been doing my tree for around 4 years and ive hit a dead end on 2 things and id love if any one can help me.the first is my great great great grandfather he is joseph beeby according to 1841 cencus he was born 1786 in leicestershire but id love to know who his parants are and i cant find them according to records he married in nottingham 1811 and he died in leics in 1846.the second is a mystery that keeps coming back to me,my great granddad william henry beeby born 1876 in radford nottingham to sarah elizabeth beeby, (he was illigitamate)sarahs father william beeby born 1821 to joseph beeby married a mary brittain but william died 1876 in nottingham i couldnt find mary on the 1881 census but found her on the 1991 cencus living with an eliza britton and her son john britton.mary wasnt living with her step daughter ,sarah had by then married saumel place and started her own family.samuel place died in 1895 and i cant find sarah after 1901 but i found on the 1911 sarahs other 2 children ,sarah elizabeth place and john james place living with a william john britton and he was down as there step father william john also had a daughter called eliza ann brittan born 1901 and when i got william henrys death cert eliza ann was down has his sister.now is william john britton williams father and whats the connection because these brittons just keep coming up,i really cant work it out and its doing my head in an anyone help me please,where was sarah place after 1901 where was mary beeby in 1881 and who really was william john britton xx

do you mind if I paragraph this a bit - too much in too small a space!


hello ive been doing my tree for around 4 years and ive hit a dead end on 2 things and id love if any one can help me.

the first is my great great great grandfather he is joseph beeby
according to 1841 cencus he was born 1786 in leicestershire but id love to know who his parants are
[[ I'll add the ref:Class: HO107; Piece: 595; Book: 6; Civil Parish: Loughborough; County: Leicestershire; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 4; Page: 3; Line: 16; GSU roll: 438745]]

and i cant find them according to records he married in nottingham 1811 and he died in leics in 1846.

the second is a mystery that keeps coming back to me,

my great granddad william henry beeby born 1876 in radford nottingham to sarah elizabeth beeby, (he was illigitamate)

sarahs father william beeby born 1821 to joseph beeby married a mary brittain but william died 1876 in nottingham

i couldnt find mary on the 1881 census but found her on the 1991 cencus living with an eliza britton and her son john britton.

mary wasnt living with her step daughter ,sarah had by then married saumel place and started her own family.
samuel place died in 1895

and i cant find sarah after 1901 but i found on the 1911 sarahs other 2 children ,sarah elizabeth place and john james place living with a william john britton and he was down as there step father

william john also had a daughter called eliza ann brittan born 1901 and when i got william henrys death cert eliza ann was down has his sister.

now is william john britton williams father and whats the connection because these brittons just keep coming up,i really cant work it out and its doing my head in an anyone help me please

,where was sarah place after 1901 where was mary beeby in 1881 and who really was william john britton

Hi Lisa,

on part two, is this roughly your timeline?

[EDITED for Lisa's further replies]:

1911 Marriage of Joseph Beeby and Elizabeth Johnson
1821 Birth of William Beeby son of Joseph and Elizabeth
Date? Marriage of William Beeby to Elizabeth, wife 1
1855 Death of Elizabeth Beeby (wife 1)
1856 Marriage of William Beeby to Mary Norwell (wife 2)
1856 Birth of Sarah Elizabeth in Loughborough
- dau. of William Beeby and Mary (nee Norwell)
Date? Death of Mary Beeby nee Norwell
1865? Marriage of William Beeby to Mary Brittain (wife 3)
Date? Moved to Nottingham
1871 William, Mary (b 1828) and Sarah (in Nottingham)?
1876 Death of William Beeby in Nottingham
1876 Birth of William Henry Beeby, illeg son of Sarah Beeby
1877 Marriage of Sarah Beeby to Samuel Place
1881 Samuel, wife Sarah and (stepson?) William Beeby
1881 Mary Beeby (nee Brittain) not found <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Q2a
1891 Mary Beeby (nee Brittain) with Eliza Britton and John Britton
1891 Sarah and Samuel Place and dau Sarah Elizabeth
1891 William Henry not found (may be the entry at Industrial School found by Dea)
1891 Death of Mary Beeby nee Brittain
1895 Death of Samuel Place
1901 Sarah Place, widow, children Sarah Elizabeth Place and John James Place
- and also William Henry Beeby and his wife Edith Ellen
1911 Sarah Place (nee Beeby) not found <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Q2b
1911 Sarah Elizabeth Place and John James Place with William John Britton (who?) <<< Q2c
1936 Death of William Henry Beeby, sister Eliza Ann Sudbury (nee Britton)

Two possible births for Leicestershire

parents: Thomas Beeby,? Margaret
name: Joseph Beeby
gender: Male
birth date: 14 Sep 1783
birthplace: ISLEY WALTON,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
father's name: Thomas Beeby
mother's name: Margaret
indexing project (batch) number: C05980-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 590791


parents: James Beebe,? Eliz.
name: Joseph Beebe
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Mar 1781
baptism/christening place: SAINT MARY,HINCKLEY,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
father's name: James Beebe
mother's name: Eliz.
indexing project (batch) number: C03452-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 585281


If this is Joseph's marriage then he married in Leicestershire. Did your Joseph marry Elizabeth Johnson or is this the wrong one?

spouse: Eliz. Johnson
groom's name: Joseph Beeby
bride's name: Eliz. Johnson
marriage date: 08 Sep 1811
marriage place: , Leicester, England
indexing project (batch) number: I01581-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 819694

Point of reference then, just to start us off:

1891 England Census
about Sarah Place Name: Sarah Place
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel Place
Gender: Female
Where born: Loughborough

Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire


Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2699
Folio: 54
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Place 40 Coal Labourer b. Mansfield, Notts.
Sarah Place 33
Sarah Place 2
Edward Place 3 Weeks
Edward Pearson 40
Priscilla Huff 24



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2699; Folio: 54; Page: 16; GSU roll: 6097809.



Dea x

Surely this must be them on 1881, even though the middle name does not match??

1881 England Census
about Sarah Ann Place Name: Sarah Ann Place
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel Place
Gender: Female
Where born: Lough, Leicestershire, England
[Loughborough, Leicestershire, England]

Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: 18 Crown Court
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Lace Worker

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Ann
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3356
Folio: 147
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Place 29 Gen. Labourer b. Stavey, Derbs???
Sarah Ann Place 24
William Henry Place 5


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3356; Folio: 147; Page: 23; GSU roll: 1341801.

I will check further............

Dea x

sorry i know its a bit confusing but thanks for you interest guys.right in 1811 joseph beeby married elizabeth johnson.in 1821 there son was born william beeby .william beeby daughter sarah elizabeth beeby was born 1856 in loughborough they then moved to nottingham after sarahs mum died from childbirth.william went on to marry mary brittain i think it was around 1865 william beeby died in 1876 in nottingham his daughter sarah elizabeth then gave birth to william henry beeby in 1876 who was illeg.a year later sarah went on to marry samuel place she is found on 1881 cencus living with samuel and william henry,but theres no sign of mary beeby(brittain) she was born in 1828 according to 1871 cencus.on the 1891 census mary was living with eliza britton and elizas son john britton.arah was still living with samuel and her daughter sarah elizabeth place on the 1891 cencus but there was no sign of william henry beeby.in 1891 mary beeby died and in 1895 samuel place died leaving sarah a widow.in 1901 sarah place was on the census as a widow living with her son william henry beeby and his wife edith ellen beeby and her other 2 children sarah elizabeth place and john james place.william henry beeby died mar 1936 the informant was eliza ann sudbury who was formally britton she was down as william henrys sister.and on the 1911 sarah elizabeth place and john james place where living with eliza ann britton and her father william john britton and they where names as his step children.after 1901 i do not know what happen to sarah elizabeth beeby(place)

so far you have the right cencus for sarah and yes joseph did marry elizabeth johnson in 1811 well done guys great work so far

A tree on Ancestry shows this to be the marriage of Sarah's parents and Mary was NOT a Beeby:
They have the certs.

Marriages Sep 1856
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BEEBY William Basford 7b 176
NORNELL Mary Basford 7b 176
Norvell Mary Basford 7b 176

William was a widower when he married Mary.


This looks like her on 1851 census.:

1851 England Census
about Mary Norwell Name: Mary Norwell
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Norwell
Mother's Name: Suzanna Norwell
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Barkby, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Barkby
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England


Registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
Sub-registration district: Barrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 2087
Folio: 638
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
William Norwell 55 Frame Work Knitter
Suzanna Norwell 56
Mary Norwell 23
Ward Norwell 20
Hannah Norwell 17
Mary Allice Norwell 1


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2087; Folio: 638; Page: 17; GSU roll: 87714-87715.


Mary Norwell was his second wife and the mother of Sarah.

His first wife Elizabeth had died in 1855,

Dea x

Lisa,

Can you please put a few line spaces in your meassages as they are extremely difficult to read with no white space between ;-)

Are you a member of Ancestry?

If not, it would be worth you taking out a 14 day free trial with them as the tree on Ancestry seems to be very well researched and has lots of certs scanned in.

Dea x

This appears to be your William in 1891:

1891 England Census
about William Beeby Name: William Beeby
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Inmate of School (Inmate)
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Chester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Castle
ED, institution, or vessel:

Industrial School Boughton Chester for Poor Children ***

Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2863
Folio: 169
Page Number: 5

Dea x

thanks dea i know mary brittain was willliams 3rd wife and mary norwell was sarahs elizabeth beebys mother,after mary died william and sarah up sticks to nottingham where he married mary brittain they are all found living together on an 1871 cencus x

Q2c:

On this transcription for the 1911 census, the head of the household is transcribed as Mr John Britton:

Name: Mr John Britton
Age in 1911: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Emily Terrace Dawson St
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Nottingham
Registration District Number: 430
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Piece: 20582
Household Members:
Name Age
John Britton 69
Eliza Ann Britton 10
Sarah Elizebeth Place 22
John James Place 16
Elizebeth Richardson 50

- which fits with the John Britton you found on the 1891 census:

Name: John Britton
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Parent's Name: Eliza Britton
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Snenton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 42

Piece: 2706
Folio: 65
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Britton 69
John Britton 49
Mary Beeby 65

thanks dea,when i looked it up it on 1911 it was the same but it said so william john britton so not sure why it came up like that. But this is defo my family thanks but what i cant understand is the connection between them all. why is he down as sarah and johns step father and why was his daughter classed as william beebys sister on his death cert ???????

Would Eliza Ann's birth certificate provide any useful information?

Name: Eliza Ann Brittan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1901
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 330

thanks ivy ill order it and see what is says

What birth date do you have for Mary Britton/Beeby please?

Dea x

hiya dea, i checked my notes and on the cencus it says 1828 but on the death record it says 1825 she died in 1891 and was 66 years of age x

There is this death record, transcribed as follows:

Sarah Elizabeth Plack abt 1847 Oct-Nov-Dec 1908 Nottingham Nottinghamshire

However, the typed index says Place, not Plack, and the age at death may be 51 rather than 61.

I am going to post all this because I have found it but can't quite tie it all together yet and have to go off for a while:

Looks like Eliza was unmarried and not a widow ?? - maybe Mary's sister?? (making Mary John's aunt) ?

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1891:
BRITTON, Eliza Head Widow F 69 1822 Lace Hand Nottingham VIEW
BRITTON, John Son Married M 49 1842 Chair Maker Nottingham VIEW
BEEBY, Mary Lodger Widow F 65 1826 Lace Hand Nottingham VIEW

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Piece:
2706 Folio:
65 Page:
5 Registration District:
Nottingham

Civil Parish:
Snenton Municipal Borough:
Nottingham Address:
16, Pointers Avenue, Snenton, Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire


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1881:
BRITTAN, Eliza Head Widow F 60 1821 Lace Mender Nottingham VIEW
BRITTAN, John Son Single M 36 1845 Chair Maker (Cabt) Nottingham VIEW

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Piece:
3348 Folio:
102 Page:
24 Registration District:
Nottingham

Civil Parish:
Snenton Municipal Borough:
Address:
St Marys Gardens, Snenton County:
Nottinghamshire


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1871
BRITTON, Eliza Head F 49 1822 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTON, John Son M 27 1844 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTON, Sarak Kate Son's Wife F 22 1849 Nottinghamshire VIEW

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Piece:
3506 Folio:
80 Page:
29 Registration District:
Nottingham

Civil Parish:
St Mary Municipal Borough:
Nottingham Address:
Trinity Street Trinity Place, St Mary, Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire


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1861
BRITTON, Eliza Head Unmarried F 39 1822 Lace Mender Nottingham VIEW
BRITTON, James Brother Unmarried M 17 1844 Printer Nottingham VIEW

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Piece:
2453 Folio:
74 Page:
15 Registration District:
Nottingham

Civil Parish:
St Mary Municipal Borough:
Nottingham Address:
North Street, St Mary, Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire


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1851:
BRITTAIN, James Head Married M 26 1825 Master Chair Maker Employ 6 Men Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTAIN, Sarah Wife Married F 25 1826 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTAIN, Maria Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTAIN, James Son M 4 1847 Scholar Snenton Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTAIN, Alexander Son M 1 1850 Nottinghamshire VIEW

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Piece:
2133 Folio:
404 Page:
30 Registration District:
Nottingham

Civil Parish:
St Nicholas Municipal Borough:
Nottingham Address:
Sawyer Arms Yard, Lister Gate, St Nicholas, Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire

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1841:
BRITTON, James M 40 1801 Nottinghamshire VIEW Whip maker
BRITTON, Sarah F 30 1811 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTON, James M 15 1826 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTON, Joseph M 10 1831 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTON, Alexander M 10 1831 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTON, Mary F 5 1836 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTON, Emma F 5 1836 Nottinghamshire VIEW
BRITTON, William M 0 (1 months) 1841 Nottinghamshire VIEW
RICHARDS, Hannah F 25 1816 Nottinghamshire VIEW
RICHARDS, William M 1 1840 Nottinghamshire VIEW

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Piece:
870 Book/Folio:
14/31 Page:
20 Registration District:
Nottingham

Civil Parish:
St Mary Municipal Borough:
Nottingham Address:
Parliament Street, St Mary, Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire


Needs more work..............

Dea Xxx