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Lisa

Lisa Report 20 Apr 2012 20:08

Hi all im looking for any information on a daniel william jude born 1892 in cambs.

his father was william jude born 1859 he had siblings named john, mary, pamela, joseph,sarah,harriet,elizabeth and caroline.

thanks for looking

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Apr 2012 20:14

Hello Lisa, welcome to the boards.

You already know a bit about him, so can you be a bit more specific about the type of information you're hoping to find.

Carol

Carol Report 20 Apr 2012 20:16

JUDE, Daniel Head Married M 42 1859 Labourer Bricklayers BarringtonCambridgeshire VIEW
JUDE, Mary Wife Married F 46 1855 Charwoman Cambridge VIEW
MEAD, Margaret Niece Single F 15 1886 Shirt Factory HackneyLondon VIEW
MEAD, May Niece Single F 12 1889 HackneyLondon VIEW
MEAD, Ellen Niece Single F 9 1892 StratfordEssex VIEW
JUDE, Daniel Son Single M 8 1893 ClaptonLondon VIEW

Piece:1624 Folio: 124 Page:36 Registration District:West Ham

Civil Parish:Walthamstow Municipal Borough: Address:40, Lennox Road, Walthamstow County:Essex


1901 census

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Apr 2012 20:18

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Jude Daniel William Hackney 1b 441

Chris :)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Apr 2012 20:25

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Daniel William Jude
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Age at enlistment: 20
Birth Parish: Hackney
Birth County: Middlesex
Document Year: 1912
Regimental Number: 70997
Regiment Name: Royal Horse and Royal Field Artillery
Number of images: 4

He had first enlisted in 1910.

On his medical he was 5' 8" tall, weighed 139lb and his chest was 37". He had a fresh complexion, hazel eyes and brown hair. It's noted "soldier left forearm" so guess that was a tattoo.

He got into bother quite a lot and was eventually discharged for misconduct on 17 March 1914.

EDIT: Have just noticed the birthplace on this is Hackney, whereas Lisa says he was born Cambs.

Carol

Carol Report 20 Apr 2012 20:37

Death

Daniel W Jude
Reg Dist - Edmondton, Middlex
1944 1 Q
aged 51
Ref 3A 1066

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Apr 2012 20:41

His baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Daniel William Jude
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 13 Nov 1895
Father's Name: Daniel Jude < Labourer
Mother's Name: Mary Jude
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clapton Park All Saints
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Their address was 111 Pedro Street.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Apr 2012 20:44

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965

Name: Daniel William Jude
Electoral Year: 1935
Parliamentary Division: Hackney
County or Borough: Hackney

Living at 34 Mayfield Road with Rose.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Apr 2012 20:46

Neither of these marriages fit with a "Rose" unless the second one was Eva Rose.

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Daniel W Jude
Spouse: Ellen Hooper
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1917
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 964

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Daniel W Jude
Spouse: Eva R Jarvis
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1938
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 2812

Can't be 100% certain these are your chap - you'd need to get copies of certificates to check.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 20 Apr 2012 21:00

1861 England Census
about Pamela Jude
Name: Pamela Jude
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Jude
Mother's Name: Ann Jude
Gender: Female
Where born: Barrington, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Barrington
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Royston
Sub-registration district: Melbourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 111
Piece: 814
Folio: 22
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
William Jude 43
Ann Jude 41
John Jude 17
Mary J Jude 15
Pamela Jude 12
Joseph Jude 10
Sarah A Jude 7
Harriet Jude 4
Daniel Jude 2 >>> Barrington Cambridgeshire

Mike *

Mike * Report 20 Apr 2012 21:04

Where does "Rose" fit in ?

Where did you get Daniel's father as being William ?

He is named as Daniel on the census.
Was he William Daniel ?



EDIT :

Was it not in fact Daniel's grandfather who was William ?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Apr 2012 21:12

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Daniel Jude (Bachelor)
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Mary Green (Widow)
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Jul 1891
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Jude (Deceased)
Spouse Father Name: William Perry (Deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register

Chris :)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 20 Apr 2012 21:23

Household Record 1881 British Census

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William JUDE Head M Male 64 Barrington, Cambridge, England Ag Lab
Ann JUDE Wife M Female 61 Barton, Cambridge, England
Daniel JUDE Son U Male 22 Barrington, Cambridge, England Coprolite Lab

Dwelling High St
Census Place Barrington, Cambridge, England

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Apr 2012 21:59

Lisa, if you check Search Trees at top of page, quite a few other Members have Daniel born 1859 in their Tree...

Baptism taken from All Saints Church Barrington, Cambs.

1859 Dec. 4th Jude Daniel of William and Ann otp lab.

Chris :)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 21 Apr 2012 12:45

Mike - you ask where Rose fits in - she's on the ER I posted.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 21 Apr 2012 13:22

I have PMd Lisa to explain how to find her way back to this thread.

Lisa

Lisa Report 21 Apr 2012 16:43

omg lol im so new to this.. thanks everyone for info its a bit complicated but my mums dad turned out to have another family before her and we believe he was a bigamist. he died in 1944 i have all details of his household when he was younger but no details of him as an adult and what children he had before he married my mums mum. i know he had at least one son because he turned up at my nans door after his dad died asking who my nan was.
it would be nice for my mum to somehow get a pic of what he looked like as she was 18 months old when he died and we have no pics. also whether she had any half siblings,

but thanks for all your help greatly appreciated

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 21 Apr 2012 18:17

Lisa, you say in the opening post that he was born in Cambs. However, all the records found relate to a London birth. Could it be that his father was from Cambs?

Can you confirm if either (or both) of those marriage records I posted above are a possibility? If they're not, are you able to say who your mum's mum was (if it's not breaching privacy)?

If we're sure of the relationships then we can then check for possible children.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 21 Apr 2012 18:39

There was quite a scandal in 1895 and many papers reported it. Here is one such article:

THE HAMPSHIRE TELEGRAPH - Saturday 10 August 1895

SHAM WIDOWS BIGAMY - EXTRAORDINARY STORY
Mary Green, 42, charwoman, of Roseneath Terrace, Clapton, on Tuesday surrendered to her bail at North London Police court to answer a charge of bigamy. It was alleged that she went through a form of marriage with Daniel Jude at the Red Church, Bethnal Green, in June 1891, her husband George Green, being then and now alive.
Daniel Jude declared that he never knew of the existence of George Green until last Monday week. When he first met the prisoner she was walking through Stratford in "widows weeds" and he thought she was a widow.
The prisoner admitted wearing the clothing of a widow, and made an extraordinary statement in explanation.
She said that 24 years ago she was married to George Green, and three years after that she left him, and for 21 years he had not contributed one penny to the support of herself or her blind child. For 17 years after that she lived as the wife of a James Mead, and bore him five children. Mead died, and it was for him she wore widows clothes. In 1891 she accidentally met Mr Jude and a woman with whom he had lived for nine years; and two weeks after that Jude came to her and asked her to take him in as a lodger. She did so, and he asked her to marry him to "choke off" the woman with whom he had been living. She told him she could not do so, but would live with him. But he insisted on getting married - Jude denied this.
The prisoner was committed for trial, and admitted to bail.
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Other reports state she was sentenced to two days imprisonment. Also, that she'd been handed into police by Daniel Jude whilst he was intoxicated.
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Note the 1901 census above - particularly Mary's occupation and the children's surname.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Apr 2012 18:53

Wow, MC, that's a good find!...

There is another Member in Search Trees (top of page) with a Daniel William Jude 1892.

Chris :)