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Births Sep 1889 Firth Mabel Lottie Mildenhall 4a 703

Not seeing a birth at the moment for Kathleen Dorothy.

EDIT

Wonder if she was really Kathleen Ellen?

Name: Kathleen Ellen Firth
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 25 Jan 1891
Father's Name: James Francis Firth
Mother's Name: Harriet Elizabeth Firth
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tulse Hill Holy Trinity
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers



No, proably not as she was a teacher of music and living with her parents in 1911.

Sorry, this is how the PM went ---i just wondered if Mabels daughter had heard any "snipets" about maybe Mabel's Mum being an actress

I came across these two on the 1911 census -- I think they MAY be sisters

1911 England Census
about Mabel Lottie Firth Name: Mabel Lottie Firth
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Civil parish: Newington St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 65 Doddington Grove, Kennington
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: ACTRESS
Registration district: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration district: Newington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Piece: 1850

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Name: Kalhleen Dorothy Firth
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Civil parish: Newington St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 65 Doddington Grove, Kennington
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: ACTRESS
Registration district: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration district: Newington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Piece: 1850

They are boarding at this address with a number of other people ----It was their names Mabel and Kathleen Firth that made me wonder if one of them had Mabel and named her after them !! ?? But where is Mabel's birth index, it really is confusing,

Barbara x

Many Many thanks to you all,
unfortunatly her birth 1912 registration and whereabouts between birth and 1933 are still unknown, one of you helpers is still trying to locate Mabel via pm.
I promise to post any developments.
My kind regards
Les

Hi Rootgatherer
Thank you so much for your time and input all of which I will investigate.
Kind Regards
Les

Trying a different tack. If she was born with a different surname (but same area as she appears on ER).

These were all born at the correct quarter in that area and reg Jun 1912

Cranham Mabel K Nicol Wandsworth 1d 984
The above marries in 1937 so can be eliminated

Herbert Mabel K Day Camberwell 1d 1720
Looks like this one may have married in 1937 too.

Jay Mabel K Wells Kingston 2a 846
Marries in 1932

Morriss Mabel K Denman Lambeth 1d 485
Marries in 1939

Webb Mabel K Taylor Lambeth 1d 664
Possible death in 1914.



Not seeing a birth on the familysearch Irish indexes either.

Thank you rootgatherer. I guess we can out rule them then ---

Barbara x

Only 2 of the 5 Firth births in Scotland in 1912 were female. A Frances born in Renfrew and a Daisy in Orkney.

Barbara,
I hope PM means personal message so I sent you a message via clicking on your name.
Les

Hi Les
Did it say "Spinster" for Mabel on the wedding cert ?

You mention a daughter---can you tell us her name ? Please can you PM this info

Barbara x

Hi Babara
Thank you for the electoral register with lots of goodies within.
It's 100% correct, the same address as on m cert.
I guess I will search Ireland and Scotland for her birth, or maybe in a day or so my post will be read by a researcher from these parts.
Thanks again
Regards
Les

Not much help on Mabels birth I know ( I was wondering the same as Mike, about Scotland or Ireland )


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
about Mabel K Hadlow
Name: Mabel K Hadlow
Electoral Year: 1946
Parliamentary Division: Camberwell
County or Borough: Southwark

Address 34 Willowbrook Road

Same address

Charles F Hadlow
Jane E
John F
Mabel K (as above)
William

and

Benjamin Ryan

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Witness on marriage cert was Lydia Ryan

Wonder if this is her marriage ???

Marriages Mar 1917

>>>>Hadlow Lydia Ryan Camberwell 1d 1057
>>>>Ryan Benjamin Hadlow Camberwell 1d 1057

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It looks as if Lydia was Charles' sister going by 1911 census for Lydia ---Charles F birth in 1912 and their parents marriage in 1894.

Barbara x

Hi Mike
Very unlikely but would not rule it out. Do you have something?

Hi Choccy
Hi Jonesey
You guys are great, that gives me a good start and will search for any records.
Many thanks
Les

Could she have been born in Scotland ?

Name: Mabel Kathleen Firth
Electoral Year: 1933
Parliamentary Division: Camberwell
County or Borough: Southwark
Asylum (Peckham House) Peckham Road

Name: Mabel Kathleen Firth
Electoral Year: 1938
Parliamentary Division: Camberwell
County or Borough: Southwark
74 Lyndhurst Road

See:
http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/camberwellhouse.html

from 1933 to 1936 she was in an Asylum (Peckham House), Camberwell

there might well be some records available


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965

Name: Mabel Kathleen Firth
Electoral Year: 1933
Parliamentary Division: Camberwell
County or Borough: Southwark



In 1938 she was at 74 Lyndhurst Road, Camberwell with the following residents -

Frederick and Lilian Pearce
Robert and Eleanor Storey
Edward and May Tagg



no sign of her before 1933 on Electoral register, so likely that 1912 birth year is correct (think 21 was the age to appear on the ER)

Hi Gins
Many thanks for the d cert.
Regards
Les

For her birth date


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Mabel Kathleen Hadlow
Name: Mabel Kathleen Hadlow
Birth Date: 20 May 1912
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1976
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 11
Page: 0840

Hi again Reggie,
Witnesses were Edward Pilcher and Lydia Ryan

Hi Reggie
Thanks for your reply, this sure is a tough one that maybe can't be solved.
Regards
Les