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Hi Guys,

I have found a nice (?) surprise whilst trawling through some old data i hadn't really had time to analyse.

John Hart marries Christina (Christian) Smith sometime after 1st July 1804.

Banns are 11 & 17th June & 1st July.

The entry states John was a 'Soldier of the Canadian Reg't of Foot' and states they were 'in this parish for 3 days' The marriage was in Hamilton, South Lanarkshire. There is another marriage a little further up whereby the Groom states same occupation as John.

Their child Robert Hart was born 26 Feb 1807, the Baptism states 2nd child of the couple, unaware of any other children to this couple at the present time (Robert being my direct line). The name of the Mother differ's slightly on the Baptism record stating John Hart & Christ'n Smith Parkhead. John Houston & Robert Hall witness's.

No idea where the Parkhead comes from. On Robert's death cert it state's Mother's maiden name as Smith (yes i am aware the informant (Son in Law) was probably unaware she had a further surname).

I have everything going forward's from Robert, i just would like to go further backwards.....

If anyone can shed any light on the Canadian bit, or where John Hart and Christina came from i'd be very grateful xx


Tracey x

Slightly a sideline but a tree on Ancestry does list their first child as John Hart Birth 20 Aug 1805 in Govan, Lanarkshire.

Both parents are listed as being born in Govan but their parents are not listed so this may be a guess.

Hey K,

Yeah i'm trying to be slightly cautious of some of the Ancestry Tree's, a few seem to have just added bits and pieces without checking facts.

I click into 1 the other day as they had a rellie on the 1851 (i'd been struggling) and it turns out all the census's she had were for a completely different name ....and family!

I think some people just wildly copy, and it's annoying.

I'll check that out out tho :-D thanks.

T x

Completely agree - I treat with caution - but sometimes they can give a guide.

Their marriage cert would be useful if this is the right one from Scotlands People

Kx

11/06/1804 HART JOHN CHRISTIAN SMITH M HAMILTON/LANARK

I can't understand why a Canadian soldier would be in Scotland in 1804? And was still there in 1807?

Well Margee,

I'm not too sure he was actually Canadian? maybe he's come in from Canada and it's just been written as such by the church vicar?

I'm struggling to find anything on the Canadian Regiment of Foot? ....i mean did it actually exist, or was it a 'pet' term the guys used for what they actually were?

....and if they were there for 3 days, where were the Banns read?

K, thanks for that find, he is one of mine.... and the Mother is listed as Christian again.

I shall have to redo a search with the word Christian.


T x

K,

There is no marriage cert!

The entry is exactly as i have stated... 3 lines on a page of numerous other marriages :-(

if only things were that easy in 1804 :-D

T x

Is this a brother of Robert? But not Lanarkshire:

HEART, James Christening
Gender:
Birth Date: 1 Oct 1808
Christening Date: 8 Oct 1808 Recorded in: Eaglesham, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Father: John HEART
Mother: Christian SMITH
Source: FHL Film 1041088 Dates: 1808 - 1808

I believe there were many different regiments of foot in Canada.

There are a few Heart family's with a female called Christian :-(

I've fallen over a few already in my search.

I wouldn't dismiss it, but uptil now none of them have really done anything outside of Lanarkshire.

They've either come from elsewhere and marriage etc there, but i haven't had any move around once there.

Like i say i'll def have a look tho, with him being a soldier they could have moved about.

I need to check out the East India Company too i suppose!

T x

T x

Ok, having done a small look about, i think Christian came from Parkhead, Glasgow....

So maybe she met him and married him quickly?

T x

I wonder re this in Montreal

REGISTER OF THE
84TH REGIMENT OF FOOT
BAPTISMS 1779-1791

1781 February 19 (born Feb 1st) John HART Jonathan HART & Elizabeth, Private Soldier in the 1st Battallion of the 84th Regiment of Foot

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qcmtl-w/84thRegBMD.htm

Just a thought Trace, as we are talking about Scotland here and you have mentioned Glasgow.

Do you think it could say:

"Caledonian regiment of foot" ??

Many of these Regiments were stationed around the Glasgow area.

There is lots on google if you think this is a possibility.

It seems to make rather more sense that 'Canadian' ?

Dea x

Hmmmm,

Nice find K, sorry had to go offline suddenly last night :-s

I will have a look and see whether that regiment came to Scotland around that time :-)

Dae, i have sent you a pm with the image.


T x

You are right Tracey.

I have looked at the image you sent and it certainly does say 'Canadian' !

I will see if I can find anything.

K's little snippet looks useful!

Dea x

"Arrived at Glasgow on the 1st, Major Robertson from Fort William Lochaber, with 150 brave young Highlanders for the Canadian Regiment. From the appearance of all the recruits we have seen belonging to this corps it will be one of the best corps in his Majesty's service".

(saw the above snippet in below newspaper, wondered if related!)

Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh, Scotland), Saturday, June 9, 1804


Chris :)

A bit more re Robertson and Lochaber http://www.militaryheritage.com/fd_offr.htm Edit - Looks more likely that John was born and recruited in Scotland

The same month Shank (1810) was promoted to major general, the Canadian Fencibles' major, George Robertson, became a lieutenant colonel in the regiment. Robertson, "a steady, intelligent, and active officer... much more calculated to the task" took direct command of the corps. A former major of the Lochaber Fencibles in Scotland in the 1790s, the 41 year-old Robertson became the sole field officer present with the regiment through the latter half of 1811 and the beginning of 1812.

Another snippet in March 1804 same newspaper, says "an officer had been to Mull to recruit for the Canadian Regiment, and has been very successful. It is a matter of surprise that others are not sent to the Western Isles immediately, for our correspondent says "the inhabitants are coming from all quarters in boatfuls to enlist".

Chris :)

Wow, you guys are awesome.... it'll certainly give me more to work on :-D

We know for sure they, or at least John, was not local to the area.

So i need to unpick the Canadian part of it and maybe drill down into anything that might be relevant :-)

Thanks again, really appreciate it :-D


T x

It's also worth noting as i have mention previously, i now think the word 'Parkhead' after Christian Smith's name is actually her birth location.

Soooo, i need to narrow down her birth, but it seems Christian isn't an uncommon name... and add the Smith bit and there are hundred's of them :-(

T x