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John George Dean born about 1823 - 1826 in Luton Bedfordshire or London to John and Rachael Dean. Info from a sons Birth certificate in 1857 states he was 34 years old. Marriage certificate 1856 says 30 years old.
He married Elizabeth Ann Simmons (born 1839 Newbury, Berkshire to a John and Rachael) in Australia - 1856
Need help with John George Deans parents in England. His birth year ??? and when died in Australia if possible.
Elizabeths ? death date in Australia
Thankyou in advance
Elaine

This looks like Elizabeth in 1851 ....... which means she was only 16 when she married John George Dean in Geelong in 1856


1851 Census

Name: Elizabeth Simmons
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Simmons
Mother's Name: Rachel Simmons
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Newbury, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Millbrook
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra

John Simmons 47 b.ca 1804, Potbury, Somerset, Blacksmith
Rachel Simmons 47 b.ca 1804, Newbury, Berkshire
John Simmons 18 Assists Father
Elizabeth Simmons 11
Eliza Simmons 9
Ann Wood 82 Lodger





sylvia

This is the marriage entry

Name: John George Dean
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Simmons
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1856
Registration number: 326

There's a tree on A that gives his parents - with no evidence - as John Dean and Elizabeth Brown

Elizabeth died in 1869

Name: Elizabeth Dean
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 30
Father's Name: Simmonds John
Mother's Name: Rachael
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 2939
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839

So could this be him remarrying?

Name: John George Dean
Spouse Name: Tryphena Lewis
Marriage Date: 1875
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1875
Registration number: 198

Name: Tryphena Dean
Death Date: 1932
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Lewis
Registration Year: 1932
Registration Place: Marrickville, New South Wales
Registration number: 2350

doesn't help with him though

eight children that I can see...

Alfred Barnstable 1857; George Henry 1859; Walker John 1862 and Elizabeth 1864 with Elizabeth and

Isabella Kate 1875 Maude M 1878 George Andrew 1879 and William Henry 1881 with Tryphena.

All around Victoria/NSW.....but still no death!!

Thankyou for your help in this matter so far folks. If this is him at least I have a State that he was possibly last living. Haven,t had much success in Victoria as yet.

I wonder if he went for a visit to England and never returned. 10 children from his son Alfred Barnstable and wife Mary.

Looking at the second marriage - trees on A have him as born 1840 with no evidence so might not be him...I can't find him in electoral rolls either :-(

I have found, I think, his passage to Victoria in 1851 on the John Knox aged 28 years. Will have to check again as I must admit I forgot to check if he was a lone traveller or had family with him.
Did he use the name George?

This is it - not sure it's him as it is stated he was Irish

Name: John Dean
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Age: 28
Arrival Date: 15 Jul 1851
Arrival Port: Geelong, Point Henry and Victoria, Australia
Departure Port: Plymouth
Ship: John Knox
Nationality: Irish

Could be possible that his parents were Irish living in Luton, Although the birth certificate of Alfred Barstable who was born in Geelong area -states born Luton, maybe he considered himself Irish.
Death certificate if could be found would piece a lot together.

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

(do you have his 1856 Marriage Cert.?)

Chris :)

Is the marriage certificate there? I have just spent mega $ at vic bdm but not the marriage of John and Elizabeth. Will get if available.

Thankyou for the Death notice. I have been trawling through Trove looking for a death for John George as well. Did not have all his children, I do now.
Thanks to all who have been assisting me.

Hi Elaine ...the NSW/BDM has a death 1904 (in Sydney) for a John G Dean - with parents' names ... Andrew & Isobel. (Reg.No 12151/1904).

Valerie (WAus)

Thanks Helen have pm'd you back
Thanks Valerie that would make him about 81 years. Another certificate to persue.
Elaine

It also says in the death notice (unfortunately no family with it) asks for Leighton papers to copy. Leighton in Bedfordshire.

I saw that death but discounted it as there is no suggestion anywhere who parents were. Only ref is in A tree John dean and Elizabeth Brown. Do they show fathers on Australian marriage certs? If so that's the starting point and will determine whether to pursue the death in 1904

Jude

Thanks Jude, understand that more certificates are required. Most times they show parents except for a few that decide (unknown) is an option. They also give occupations as well. And mothers maiden names. Birth and death certs the same. Will decide on 1904 death in due course. That is the only one that has come to light so far. Will also check out tree on A to see if related in any way. Some trees found but to date some direct descendants not listed.

Elaine