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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 12 Mar 2012 21:28

I am helping a friend trace her great grandfather whom she believes was adopted.

I have found him on the census records but don't have a subscription.

Details are:

Alfred Sanders Jacobs born c1890 who was married to Ella Ann Wishmire. I can see a marriage in Indiana and them living in Michigan. Would love to get more details as to where he was born, etc.

Thanks,

Rose

Choccy

Choccy Report 12 Mar 2012 21:34



California Death Index, 1940-1997

Name: Alfred Sanders Jacobs
Social Security #: 362207172
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 20 Jan 1888
Birthplace: Indiana
Death Date: 10 Jan 1956
Death Place: Los Angeles
Father's Surname: Jacobs


Abby

Abby Report 12 Mar 2012 21:35

Groom's Name: Alfred Jacobs
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Ella Wishmire
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 28 Jun 1910
Marriage Place: Marion, Indiana
Groom's Father's Name: Frank Jacobs
Groom's Mother's Name: Mary Willson
Bride's Father's Name: George Wishmire
Bride's Mother's Name: Ella Parker
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01305-9
System Origin: Indiana-EASy
Source Film Number: 499394
Reference Number: no 57, p314

alviegal

alviegal Report 12 Mar 2012 21:35

1930 United States Federal Census about Alfred S Jacobs
Name: Alfred S Jacobs
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Indiana
Race: White
Home in 1930: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
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Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Ella A Jacobs
Father's Birthplace: Indiana
Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred S Jacobs 40
Ella A Jacobs 36 Illinois
Jewell M Jacobs 13 Michigan


1920 United States Federal Census about Alford S Jacob
Name: Alford S Jacob
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Indiana
Home in 1920: Detroit Ward 10, Wayne, Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Ella Jacob
Father's Birthplace: Indiana
Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
Home Owned: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alford S Jacob 30
Ella Jacob 26
Jewell Jacob 3
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1910 United States Federal Census about Alford Jacobs
Name: Alford Jacobs
[Alfred Jacobs]
Age in 1910: 20
Birth Year: 1890
Birthplace: Indiana
Home in 1910: Indianapolis Ward 7, Marion, Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ella Wishmins 48
Elfa Wishmins 16
Alford Jacobs 20
Cy A Frakes 38
Etta E Houk 49
Mary E Young 33
Ruth E Nicholson 16



1900 United States Federal Census about Alford Jacobs
Name: Alford Jacobs
Age: 11
Birth Date: May 1889
Birthplace: Indiana
Home in 1900: Center, Marion, Indiana
[Marion]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Frank Jacobs
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Jacobs 37
Alford Jacobs 11
James Jacobs 39
Sarah Jacobs 46

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 12 Mar 2012 21:37

1930 United States Federal Census about Alfred S Jacobs
Name: Alfred S Jacobs
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Indiana
Race: White
Home in 1930: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
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Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Ella A Jacobs
Father's Birthplace: Indiana
Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred S Jacobs 40 Electrical Engineer
Ella A Jacobs 36
Jewell M Jacobs 13

alviegal

alviegal Report 12 Mar 2012 21:40

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Alfred Sandus Jacobs
Name: Alfred Sandus Jacobs
City: Detroit
County: Wayne
State: Michigan
Birthplace: Indiana;United States of America
Birth Date: 23 May 1889
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 2032677
DraftBoard: 25


He was an electrician, born Lebaum, Indiana.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 12 Mar 2012 21:44

Thanks everyone.

Birth date is all over the place but that looks to be him.

Is Frank widowed in 1900?

Rose

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 12 Mar 2012 21:44

1910 United States Federal Census about Alferd S Jacobe
Name: Alferd S Jacobe
[Alferd S Jacobi]
[Alferd S Jacobs]
Age in 1910: 20
Birth Year: 1890
Birthplace: Indiana
Home in 1910: Greenville, Floyd, Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Jacob Jacobe
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Name: Laura Jacobe
Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Jacobe 61
Laura Jacobe 52
William Jacobe 35
Alferd S Jacobe 20
Ruth Jacobe 19
[17]
Arthur Jacobe 15
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MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Mar 2012 21:47

This birth tallies with the California death record, and the father's name on the 1900:

Indiana Births, 1880-1920 about Jacobs
Name: Jacobs
Father: Frank
Mother: Mary Shulmire
County: Boone
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Jan 1888
Reference: Boone County, Indiana
Index to Birth Records 1882 - 1920 Inclusive Volume I Letters A - K Inclusive
Book: R-2
Page: 141

alviegal

alviegal Report 12 Mar 2012 21:52

Yes Frank is widowed in 1900. He is a day labourer.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 12 Mar 2012 21:56

That's great.

Doesn't look like he was adopted at birth then. Perhaps the Wishmire's took him in as he is living with them in 1910, and that's where the "adoption" story came from.

Rose

alviegal

alviegal Report 12 Mar 2012 21:57

California Death Index, 1940-1997 about Ella A Jacobs
Name: Ella A Jacobs
Social Security #: 370229529
Sex: Female
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1893
Birthplace: Illinois
Death Date: 30 Apr 1974
Death Place: Alameda


Social Security Death Index about Ella Jacobs
Name: Ella Jacobs
SSN: 370-22-9529
Last Residence: 94618 Oakland, Alameda, California, United States of America
Born: 24 Aug 1893
Died: Apr 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: Michigan (Before 1951)

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Mar 2012 01:52

Thanks.

I can see 2 other female Indiana births with the Jacobs surname and Shul*mire for the MMN. Are there any more details available? Trying to figure out when Mary died.

Thanks,

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Mar 2012 02:54

I'm also concerned there are 2 birth dates listed: 20 Jan 1888 and 23 May 1889

Who is the mother for the child born 23 May 1889?

Rose

mgnv

mgnv Report 13 Mar 2012 05:42

Magnify 4 clocks, then save image


http://www.archive.org/stream/12thcensusofpopu389unit#page/n953/mode/1up
http://www.archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po368unit#page/n42/mode/1up
[addy=721 North New Jersey St, Center Twp]
http://www.archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu809unit#page/n708/mode/1up
[addy=779, Wabash Ave, Detroit]
http://www.archive.org/stream/michigancensus00reel1057#page/n848/mode/1up
[addy=7044 Senator Ave]

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Mar 2012 19:12

Thanks MGNV.

Rose

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Mar 2012 19:27

Also share Rose's concern about varying birth dates - think there's a few loose ends to tidy up.

Where does the middle name of Sanders come from - it's not on the marriage record?

Meanwhile, here's some further info from that WW1 draft registration, in case it's relevant later:

The draft registration was dated 5 June 1917 and at that time he was living at 149 Casper Street, Detroit, MI. He had a wife and 1 child (neither named). His employer was the Michigan Dodge Bus Manufacturing Co (can't make out the town, but it's in Michigan).

He wanted exemption on the grounds of dependants (doesn't say if it was granted).

He was of medium height and build, had blue eyes, brown hair and wasn't bald.

** The other thing is that on the marriage record the mother's name is Mary Willson, whereas on that birth record the surname is Shulmire. Perhaps she married twice?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Mar 2012 19:42

Think this might be the answer to the birthdate confusion - I think someone may have told him his sister's birthdate was his!

Indiana Births, 1880-1920
Name: Jacobs
Father: Frank
Mother: Emma Shulmire << just to confuse things!
County: Boone
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 May 1889 <<
Reference: Boone County, Indiana
Index to Birth Records 1882 - 1920 Inclusive Volume I Letters A - K Inclusive
Book: R-25
Page: 25

this is the other one:

Indiana Births, 1880-1920
Name: Jacobs
Father: Frank
Mother: Mary Schulmyer
County: Boone
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1891
Reference: Boone County, Indiana Index to Birth Records 1882 - 1920 Inclusive Volume I Letters A - K Inclusive
Book: R-25
Page: 44

Might be understandable how confusion arose if they didn't record first names.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Mar 2012 19:49

Thanks MarieCeleste. I think that clears up the confusion.

He must have 2 sisters but who knows what their names were?

Rose

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Mar 2012 19:53

At first I thought this might have been Mary's death, given that Emma was used on one of the birth records above. But the death date doesn't tie in with a child born Dec 1891 and Frank saying he was a widower in 1900. Will still leave here, even if for elimination.

Indiana Deaths, 1882-1920

Name: Mary E. Jacobs
Date: 16 Mar 1901
Location: Washington
Age: 35 Yr
Gender: Female
Race: White
Source Location: City Health Office Washington, Indiana
Source notes: The source of this record is the book H-18 on page 37 within the series produced by the Indiana Works Progress Administration.