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I am trying to find the parents of William ANDERSON who was born circa 1781. William married Parthenia ROBINSON in 1817 at St Mary The Virgin Prestwich Lancashire and I found the family in the 1841 at Bank Top BOLTON Sharples Lancs. It states William as not born in country ? but also states Parthenia was not either but in all the later census's she is born in LANCASHIRE.

Thanks

Pat

Is this the marriage?


This is from Lancashire Online Parish Clerks Project .......

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


Marriage: 5 Oct 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
William Anderson - (X), of Oldham
Perannia Robinson - (X), of Oldham
Witness: Thomas Whitehead; Thos Grimshaw
Married by Banns by: Jno. Fallowfield
Register: Marriages 1809 - 1819, Page 440, Entry 2206
Source: LDS Film 2356185




Unfortunately there are 14 William Anderson's born in Lancashire on the lancs-opc site between 1775 and 1815



sylvia

Is this Parthenia in 1871??

It says she was born in Barnoldswick, Yorkshire.


1871 Census

Name: Parthena Anderson
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Barnoldswick, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sharples
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Sharples
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Sharples

Parthena Anderson 72 Widow, Blind, Farmer of 4 acres
Elizabeth Anderson 41 b.ca 1830, Bolton, Lancashire, Daughter
Thomas Haddock 33 Visitor
Agnes Gerrard 62 Servant


and this on the 1861 Census looks more like Barnoldswick on the image .........

Name: Parshaine Anderson
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmouldswick

Civil parish: Sharples
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England





sylvia

Sylvia

Yes you are spot on. Thomas Haddock marries daughter Elizabeth and she dies in 1885 and he remarries.

Thanks

pat

Pat - Re: " It states William as not born in country"

It normally states not born in county, rather than country.

mgnv

Thankyou.

Pat

mgnv

Not born in county on the original - my mistake. This is a great help.

Very confusing with Lancashire and Yorkshire borders changing I think too. I found searching that I had to check both counties. Being married at Prestwich seems interesting as it looks like it is a far bit away. It says they were both from Oldham so that makes sense with the wedding but census entries later on have Parthenia (her name changes constantly) as being born at Barnoldswick which is sometimes listed in Lancashire and others in Yorkshire.

Pat

Just for interest .........................

St Mary the Virgin in Prestwich was the Parish Church for Oldham.

In 1817, there was only a small daughter chapel in Oldham, and so everyone had to go to Prestwich for all baptisms, marriages and burials.

My gt gt grandparents were married at St Mary's in 1835, even though by then there was a full church in Oldham ................. many people still preferred going to the "proper" church in Prestwich for marriages and even baptisms!

It was a pretty long walk ........... and for this reason, often only the bridal couple would make it. Thus, you will often find that the witnesses named in the Parish Register are actually "professional witnesses" ..... men of the parish (verger, sidesmen, even gravedigger) who were paid a small amount of money to witness marriages.

In my case, the copy I have of my gt gt grandparents' marriage has 8 marriages showing ........ 6 of them have the same 2 witnesses!


Not helpful if you are hoping that the witnesses will provide further clues to your family!!



As another little side issue ............... St Mary the Virgin has often been used in "churchy" scenes in the soap Coronation Street :-D




sylvia

Pat - not really related to your query, but some sites let you click on Lancs, then scroll down to West Riding, hold the control key down and click on that - only LAN and WRY will be searched on. FreeBMD is such a site.

I also find this technique handy in my email reader, for deleting non-contiguous junk mail from my inbox.

mgnv & Silvia

Thankyou for the information - very much appreciated. Does anyone know how I can trace the parents.

Pat

The family search site has the image of original parish record available free, and Sylvia is right about the witnesses - they appear on a number of other marriages on the page!

Can't see any sign of a birth for her though, sorry.

Flip

Thankyou for your help.

Pat

Barnoldswick baptisms are not held on lan-opc but they are in the Lancashire record office. You could try phoning them to see if they will do a free quick look for a baptism for you. If not I will not be going this week but next time I go there I can have a look for you.

I assume you have this

Burial: 17 Aug 1871 Christ Church, Walmsley, Lancashire, England
Parthenia Anderson -
Age: 81
Abode: Sharples
Buried by: R. C. W. Croft Incumbent
Register: Burials 1868 - 1886, Page 23, Entry 175
Source: Register at Manchester Library

LancashireAnn

Yes I do have Parthenia's burial details. I live in Australia so I would greatly appreciate your help when you are next at the Lancashire Office. Very kind of you.

Many thanks

Pat

lancashireann

Were you able to look up the baptism for me ?

Kind regards

Pat :-)

Many apologies Pat. I usually bookmark threads where I have offered look-ups but had not done so with this. I knew there was something but could not find it.

I will probably be there again next week so can look then

Thread now bookmarked!

lamcashireAnn

Thankyou for your help. Fingers crossed.

Pat

this is probably not what you are expecting!

I looked at the registers for Barnoldswick and I could only find 1 Perthenia in the right timescale. It was a very faint film so the staff checked the original

baptism 7th March 1798 Perthenia daughter of John WATTERWORTH of Barnoldswick, labourer and his wife Ellen

so ... did Perthenia Watterworth marry someone called Robinson before 1817???


can't see anything