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I am sure it is our Alice who went to Canada
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New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Alice Harbach
Arrival Date: 1 Oct 1913
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: doderel (THIS IS NO DOUBT DODDERHILL)

But who was Mrs. Adams she went to stay with? She must have been a friend from home. Alice left Stephen Adams her estate. Was he Mrs. Adam's son or some other relative? Was he the father of the child Alice was carrying when she died? There are never ending questions in this search.

If you're interested look up the ship CARMANIA especially the 1913 voyage that Alice took. It's another interesting piece of history

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Cheers Dianne.

Maryb.

Thank you all. That census find was one in a million. Let's hope you all have such good luck with your own family trees.

Her birth certificate would sort it for you...and yes a fortuitous error by the enumerator!
Jude

After looking through a very messy 1911 census form through stronger glasses I can certainly see Alice Harbach and Ellen East Harbach both crossed out of the form because they were not living at their parents address in 1911. I am grateful that the errors were made. I am now sure that we have found Alice.

I think that from everyone's reports Alice, like me, found a home in Canada. I do hope that she didn't die so soon after arriving though.

Thank you all.

CASE SOLVED

I'm still not sure, Mary. She could be, but I'm not certain.

Alice is the daughter of fred and elizabeth nee gibbs as stated on earlier post for them in 1911.

Don't you agree Dianne?

Maryb.

Thank you all. This is helpful. Now I wonder if Alice's mother could be this Elizabeth, daughter of Harry and Jane Harbach on my tree. She was still single in March of 1901 but married Alfred Eades later that same year.

Lizzie Harbach Event: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Gender: Female Age: 36 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Wychbold, Worcestershire Record Type: Household Registration District: Droitwich Sub-district: Droitwich Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary De Wych Wychbold Civil Parish: Dodderhill County:

Yes, Alice is a bit of a mystery

Don't think it was the first time she'd been ...

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Alice Harback
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Date of Arrival: 25 Jun 1911
Vessel: Corsican
Port of arrival: Quebec
Port of departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4778

EDIT: This one is married and has children Edward, Alice and Leslie, so perhaps not .....

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Alice Harbach
Arrival Date: 1 Oct 1913
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: doderel
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of departure: Liverpool, England
Port of arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Carmania
Search Ship Database: Search the Carmania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database



Source Citation: Year: 1913; Microfilm Serial: T715; Microfilm Roll: T715_2190; Line: 4; Page Number: 38.


going to Canada indefinitely - to friend Mrs Adams of 25 Columbus Street, Toronto

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941

Name: Alice Harbach
Probate Date: 7 Jul 1920
Death Date: 4 Sep 1919
Death Place: Canada
Registry: London


of Toronto, York, Canada

Administration to Stephen Adams, Electric worker.
Effects - £486. 3s 1d



Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947

Name: Alice Harbach
Death Date: 4 Sep 1919
Death County or District: York
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884


Died at Western Hospital of Pulmonary Embolism - Pregnancy

seems she went to the USA/Canada

Name: Alice HARBACH
Date of departure: 23 September 1913
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1884 (calculated from age)
Age: 29
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Spinster
Passenger recorded on: Page 25 of 37



Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
CARMANIA
120901
Jas C Barr
Cunard
New York, USA
31735
9981
1379

final destination Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Elizabeth . maybe Alice was the informant
Name: Elizabeth East
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1906
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Winslow
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 500

1911 census for Fred.
Wychbold 5 rooms 8 children born 3 died.
Fred HardbacK 1855
Elizabeth 1858 married 29 years (fits with marriage Oct 1881 elizabeth Gibbs)
Fred Charles 1886
Francis 1897.

View original and crossed out are
Alice daughter age 27 servant =1884.
Ellen (East) Harbach 21
kathleen 18

If you want me to E.Mail 1911 census just PM me with your E.Mail address.

Maryb.

EDIT Lizzie Harbach 1884 Bromsgrove Worcestershire domestic.
16,Grange Road
West Brom
Staffs
Head of house
William leedham Sadler.

This is the only one that fits for Alice.

James and Elizabeth appear not to have children

1881 census

Name: Elizabeth East
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James East
Gender: Female
Where born: Wychbold, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Winslow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: Station Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Care Of Chancery Patients
Registration district: Winslow
Sub-registration district: Winslow
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1476
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
James East 39occ Outfitter & Draper
Elizabeth East 38
Fredrica Mary Keanely 55
Anne Turney 32
Ann Bradley Dudley 71
Edith Clark 13

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1476; Folio: 5; Page: 4; GSU roll: 13413

Maybe her parents couldn't look after her and her Aunt had no children so they took her in.

Yes "Shirley" that's the only birth I can find...the christening I found is a bit later though! Though Bromsgrove, Dodderhill, Droitwich and Wychbold are all within a stone's throw of each other. So as I said it seems really possible that she is Fred and Elizabeth's daughter though why on earth a sevn year old would seemingly be with her father's sister at the age of seven...and judging from 1901 census this was a permanent arrangement rather than a visit... :-S

Droitwich reg district covers Dodderhill so this may be her birth

born c 1884/5 she should have been registered
Name: Alice Harbach
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration district: Droitwich
Inferred County: Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 357

or maybe not...there is only one birth for an Alice ...so maybe Alice Elizabeth is your Alice
This is Fred and Elizabeth in 1891

Fred Harbach 35
Elizabeth Harbach 32
Fred Harbach 5
Margerate Harbach 3
Ellen Harbach 1
Samuel Harbach 47


Samuel the boarder is the correct age to be Elizabeth's brother (from 1851 census)and therefore Fred's brother...but why would Alice be with her aunt at that age?

Reckon this another lot of Harbachs....Fred in 1881 with Elizabeth mother and she's too old...and in 1891 with wife Elizabeth and children....back to drawing baord! :-(