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I am trying to find a George Brassington - Oldham Lancs.
On the 1911 census this chap is listed as being 5yrs old says born 1906 and living with mother and father and other people. boarding.
but I cannot find his birth records.
I searched for him and the only thing that is coming up is for 2 people called George but there records do not show a mothers maiden name.
My question is - how is a birth of 2 similar named persons in the same district within a couple of years of each other registered with no mothers name?
Any ideas ?
Not sure how to carryu on tracing this person.

it'll be registered with a mother's maiden name....records before 3rd Quarter of 1911 did not list the mother's maiden name as a reference point.


Tracey x

Mothers maiden name was added to the indexes at the end of 1911

Which records do you mean

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Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
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Brassington Frank Oldham 8d 1199
Hewitt Nancy Oldham 8d 1199



1911

PEARSON, Sarah Ann Head Widow F 75 1836 Lancs Oldham VIEW
BRASSINGTON, Frank Boarder Married M 20 1891 Cotton Operativer Weaver Yorks Saddleworth VIEW
BRASSINGTON, Nancy Boarder Married F 21 1890 Velvet Weaver Lancs Oldham VIEW
BRASSINGTON, George Boarder M 5 1906 Lancs Oldham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24464 Reference:
RG14PN24464 RG78PN1403 RD469 SD1 ED26 SN377

Registration District:
Oldham Sub District:
Oldham East Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Oldham

Address:
25 Little Bank St Oldham County:
Lancashire


(George is aged 5 MONTHS not 5 years on original)



???

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BRASSINGTON George Oldham East Oldham HEWITT OEAS/15/182




Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
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BRASSINGTON George Oldham 8d 540

Hes 5 months old in 1911

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about George Brassington
Name: George Brassington
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1910
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 540

yes that is them - i dont seem to be able to find a birth record for the child.

The George Brassington on 1911 is 5 MONTHS old not 5 years!!

Therefore born c 1911

Possible:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BRASSINGTON George Oldham East Oldham HEWITT OEAS/15/182

Dea Xxx

more siblings ?


Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Brassington Violet Hewitt Oldham 8d 1144

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Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Brassington Annie Hewitt Oldham 8d 1116

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Births Dec 1918 (98%)
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Brassington Frank Hewitt Oldham 8d 786

Anne, if you tell us more about the George Brassington that you're trying to trace then we'll be in a better position to help you.

Do you know where and when your George died?

These must be the birth records:

Births Sep 1909
Brassington George Oldham 8d 705

Births Dec 1910
BRASSINGTON George Oldham 8d 540

Given that there's only a year between the records would be very easy to go astray without further info.

Wonder if the parents re-used the name?

Deaths Dec 1909
BRASSINGTON George 0 Oldham 8d 480

(They don't say on the original 1911 that any children have died .....)

ahhhh! yes i can see that now - hes was 5 MONTHS old ! doh!
was looking at the other thing and it just says 5! thought it was 5yrs old - no wonder i wasnt getting any where.
sorry to be a pain.
thankyou

Anne


You should make a note of this site, as you are looking in Lancashire. They often, but not always, show the mother's maiden name

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/



Here are the entries for the two births of a George Brassington, one in 1909 and one in 1910

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BRASSINGTON George Royton Oldham RADCLIFFE ROY/53/345

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BRASSINGTON George Oldham East Oldham HEWITT OEAS/15/182



The mmn for George #1 is Radcliffe, and that for George #2 is Hewitt .......... and that seems likely to be yours.




sylvia

In case you have not found it, this seems to be part of the military records for WW1 for Frank Brassington ......... Scouthead is close to Saddleworth which he claims as his birth place in the 1911 Census

This is from ancestry

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Frank Brassington

Name: Frank Brassington
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Age at enlistment: 24
Birth Parish: Scouthead
Birth County: Yorkshire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 5907
Regiment Name: 3rd Battalion Royal Irish Rifle Fusiliers
Number of images: 19


There are 19 pages of records. If you do not have a subscription to ancestry, it might be worth taking out a free 2 week trial so that you can download them to your computer.

Joined:- 7-9-14

He was 5'8" tall, and weighed 142 lbs

Declared physically unfit for further military service 31-5-16 ..... Pulmonary Tuberculosis

There is Report of Medical Board, 14-4-16, on his file:-

"Originated about 10 years ago at Oldham. Was reported to be suffering from Phthisis. Was three times in Sanatorium. Was operated upon for fistula-in-aus [???] and also for appendicitis . Spent several months in France. Marked by impaired respiration. There is a fistula-in-aus. Not result of but aggravated by Actice Service due to exposure and strain on Active Service. Permanent. Prevents 3/4"

Died 12-11-18


Wife:- Nancy Hewitt (married 9-7-10)
Children:- George (3-11-10), Violet (25-4-13), Annie (9-3-15)

Annie died 12-4-18

His address on demobilization was 2 Trevor Street, Glodwick, Oldham.




sylvia

from a tree on ancestry

Marriage to Nancy Hewitt
7 Sep 1910
St. Mark's Church, Glodwick, Oldham, Lancs.



That's MY family's church!! And where I was baptized. :-0



sylvia

Hello - sorry I have been side tracked with studying and had not traced it any further.
yes - that is my Nancy Hewitt - St Marks Glodwick, and looks like it is the same Frank Brassington - I was Baptised there too as was my father Brian Hutchinson.
I have been trying to trace my grans family too Emily Hutchinson/Hankey mother Annie Hankey - but I have come to a halt with that one, I ordered her birth cert - and fathers name is not listed on it, so I ordered a wedding cert and she seems to have put her grandads name on it.
I dont have an Ancestry account at the moment, but will try make an effort to look into it a bit further.
Thanks for helping.
Anne

Marriages Sep 1935
Hankey Emily Hutchinson Oldham 8d 2330
Hutchinson Charles Hankey Oldham 8d 2350

One of the above page numbers is wrong but difficult to tell even from the original images which one!


1911

Name: Annie Hankey
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 87 Park Rd St Helens Lancashire
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Prescot
Registration District Number: 456
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Piece: 22803
Household Members: Name Age
William Hankey 69
Annie Hankey 31
Emily Hankey 5 Grand daughter


Births Dec 1905 Hankey Emily Prescot 8b 789

1901

Name: Annie Hankey
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Hankey
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: Parr St Peter
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 87 Park Road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 3525
Folio: 56
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Hankey 59 Widower, Coppersmith's Weighman, b. Wincham, Cheshire,
Annie Hankey 21 Daughter, Housekeeper
Lucy Hankey 16 Daughter, b. St. Helens

1891

Name: Annie Hankey
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Hankey
Mother's name: Mary Ann Hankey
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Parr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 87 Park Road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3024
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
William Hankey 50
Mary Ann Hankey 48 b. St. Helens
Annie Hankey 11
James Hankey 8
Lucy Hankey 6
Elizabeth Jones 22 Visitor
Florance Jones 9/12 Visitor


1881

Name: William Hankey
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A. Hankey
Gender: Male
Where born: Wincham, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Parr
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 87 Park Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Vat Runner

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3737
Folio: 113
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
William Hankey 40
Mary A. Hankey 38
Elisabeth Hankey 17 Daughter, b. Windle, Lancashire, England
Annie Hankey 1

1871 - 44 Park Road

Name: William Hankey
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Hankey
Gender: Male
Where born: Winchand, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Parr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 3866
Folio: 20
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
William Hankey 30
Mary A Hankey 28
Elizabeth Hankey 6
John T Hankey 1



Marriages Mar 1863
BIRCH William Prescot 8b 725
HANKEY William Prescot 8b 725 <<<<<<<
SWIFT Mary Ann Prescot 8b 725 <<<<<<<
WORTHINGTON Alice Prescot 8b 725

1851

Name: William Hankey
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Hankey
Mother's name: Elizabeth Hankey
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Wincham, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Rudheath
Ecclesiastical parish: Davenham
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 2166
Folio: 264
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Hankey 36
Elizabeth Hankey 34
William Hankey 10
Eliza Hankey 4
Sarah Ann Hankey 1

Hello again, yes that is my grans family - I had traced Annie my grans mum and her siblings as far as the latest 1911 census - at park street, prescott, but had not got any further - and then i kind of came to a grinding halt when I couldnt find out who Emilys dad is, she had put William Hankeys name as being her father on the wedding cert, and no name on the birth cert - so hmm - supposed I will never know who he was - My mum seems to think that Annie did eventually get married to someone called Williams and they lived on the same street as my gran in Glodwick - he was possibly in the Navy - and my dad called me Anne after her - my mum didnt want me to be called Annie. Would have been nice to know a bit more about that family but not sure how to go about it, I was very close to my gran - but obviously nothingh as ever mentioned about her family - and I was about 14 when she died.

Hello again, yes that is my grans family - I had traced Annie my grans mum and her siblings as far as the latest 1911 census - at park street, prescott, but had not got any further - and then i kind of came to a grinding halt when I couldnt find out who Emilys dad is, she had put William Hankeys name as being her father on the wedding cert, and no name on the birth cert - so hmm - supposed I will never know who he was - My mum seems to think that Annie did eventually get married to someone called Williams and they lived on the same street as my gran in Glodwick - he was possibly in the Navy - and my dad called me Anne after her - my mum didnt want me to be called Annie. Would have been nice to know a bit more about that family but not sure how to go about it, I was very close to my gran - but obviously nothingh as ever mentioned about her family - and I was about 14 when she died.

Alas Anne you may never know who Emily's father was. It looks like her Mum Annie stayed at home as housekeeper to her widowed father. Probably Emily's father was someone who lived locally as Annie was unlikely to meet anyone through her employment.

Do you know when Annie Hankey died please Anne?

I don't see a marriage for her to a Williams.

There is this marriage......

Marriages Sep 1914
Hankey Annie Nicholson Prescot 8b 1470
Nicholson Richard Hankey Prescot 8b 1470