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Ah thank you - I didn't know this! Much appreciated. I do find it difficult to work the new site but thank you ... will check this out!

You asked safc where the marriage was found..........the site I gave you was the source

Don't confuse that new site with the old one which has the IGI

Hi Flick, I already did try there for the marriage and baptism and could find neither!

Any other suggestions?

Thanks

Try looking for it on......................

https://www.familysearch.org/

................the likely source of the marriage info............and a free site

Thank you Flick - I will probably need to contact them, although I feel that it would be a coincidence if these couples were not related.

Also, SAFC, thank you - where did you get this info? Can you find a baptism for Frederick?

Groom's Name: Frederic Turnel Patchel
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Sophia Smith
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1832
Marriage Place: Maxey, Northampton, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I06511-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1999884
Reference Number: Item 2

If neither of these is on the IGI............the Records Office will be your only source of info

Anyone can be a witness as long as they are capable of understanding the procedure they are witnessing

Also, I can't find a marriage for Frederick Petchell and Sophia Smith! Can anyone else spot this?

Wow, Frederick was accused of stabbing someone - awful!

I have difficulty finding his baptism. I appreciate all of this help on his family, and please keep it coming if possible! But, I would love to find his parents ... would I have to contact Northamptonshire Record Office for this, as it doesn't seem to appeare on the IGI.

Peter

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Thomas Smith Pechell Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
09 JAN 1842 Maxey, Northampton, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Frederic Pechell Family
Mother: Sophia Pechell


Births Dec 1841 (>99%)
Petchell Thomas Smith Peterbro' 15 316

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Jane Pechell Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
10 MAY 1840 Maxey, Northampton, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Frederick Pechell Family
Mother: Sophia Pechell

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Frederick Pechell Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
01 MAY 1836 Maxey, Northampton, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Frederick Pechell Family
Mother: Sophia Pechell

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Rebecca Smith Pechell Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
21 MAY 1838 Maxey, Northampton, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Frederick Pechell Family
Mother: Sophia Pechell

Frederick was imprisoned for "fely (feloniously ) stabbing with intent to do bodily harm"

Looks like he was in trouble again later
Name: Frederick Petchell
Date of Trial: 5 Mar 1866
Trial Year: 1866
Location of Trial: Northamptonshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment 9 calender months with hard labour
Crime: Larceny
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

number of previous convictions - 1 for felony

Deaths Mar 1870 (>99%)
Petchell Sophia 52 Cambridge 3b 359 Scan available - click to view

Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%)
PETCHELL Fredrick 72 Cambridge 3b 265 Scan available - click to view

Possible 1881 dependant upon birthplace:

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas PETCHELL Head M Male 38 Maxey, Northampton, England Stoker Gas Works
Sarah A. PETCHELL Wife M Female 30 Knapwell, Cambridge, England
Frederick PETCHELL Son Male 9 Cambridge, Cambridge, England Scholar
Thomas PETCHELL Son Male 8 Cambridge, Cambridge, England Scholar
John PETCHELL Son Male 6 Cambridge, Cambridge, England Scholar
George PETCHELL Son Male 4 Cambridge, Cambridge, England Scholar
Herbert PETCHELL Son Male 2 m Cambridge, Cambridge, England
Frederick PETCHELL Father W Male 69 Deeping, Lincoln, England Gen. Lab. (Unemployed)

Source Information:
Dwelling 6 Newmarket Terr. Newmarket Road
Census Place Cambridge, Cambridge, England
Family History Library Film 1341397
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1664 / 21
Page Number 35

However, I can't find a relevent marriage for Frederick and Sophia, and one thought, would this Sophia Petchel (nee Smith) be too young to be a witness at the marriage in 1832?

Thank you again; I am looking forwarding to finding out more.

To find out what he was in prison for requires a more expensive Ancestry sub than that which I can afford

Born Maxey, Northants

Oh wow, Flick; thank you! Wow, what was Frederick's imprisonment for?

And, where is Frederick's place of birth? Then I will look for a baptism. I suspect his father was a brother of Elizabeth Petchel.

Name: Frederick Petchell
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Date of Trial: 5 Jan 1842
Trial Year: 1842
Location of Trial: Northamptonshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

1841

Name: Thomas Smtih
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Maxey
Hundred: Nassaburgh
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England


Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Crowland
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 816
Book: 1
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Frederic Postell 30
Sophia Postell 20
Frederic Postell 5
Rebecca Postell 3
Jane Postell 12
Thomas Smtih 60

1851

Name: Sophia Petchell
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick Petchell
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Maxey, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Maxey
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England


Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Stilton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 1747
Folio: 724
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Petchell 39
Sophia Petchell 33
Rebecca Petchell 13
Thomas Petchell 9
Thomas Smith 75 FATHER IN LAW