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Lesley, that's why we needed a fresh pair of eyes! That looks highly likely. The original says one child had died so that might have been Thomas Benjamin as he's not shown.

Well, at least we know Maria's children weren't with him.

Could this be your Benjamin

CUTTER, Benjamin Head Married M 40 1871 Bricklayer Waltham Abbey VIEW
CUTTER, Emily Wife Married
8 years F 36 1875 Stourbridge Worcs VIEW
CUTTER, Ethel Daughter F 7 1904 Stirchley Wors VIEW
CUTTER, Doris Daughter F 5 1906 Stirchley Wors VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17870 Reference:
RG14PN17870 RG78PN1091 RD383 SD1 ED47 SN268

Registration District:
Kings Norton Sub District:
Kings Norton Enumeration District:
47 Parish:
Northfield

Address:
1 Owens Place Pershore Road Selly Park

I'm also struggling to find Benjamin Cutten in 1911, on the remote off chance that Maria's children were with him

The head's name should of read Nathan and the James Warren confirms it as definitely being them as Jane's maiden name was WARREN and James was her brother.

Interesting as to why she was named Florrie but then Mason should have been Nathan and Bell should have been Burles. I think that enumerator must have been hard of hearing.

Was having a poke around and saw this 1891:

BELL, Mason Head Married M 57 1834 Gardener Enfield Middlesex
BELL, Jane Wife Married F 50 1841 Enfield Middlesex
BELL, Florrie Daughter Single F 18 1873 Enfield Middlesex
BELL, Sarah Daughter Single F 8 1883 Enfield Middlesex
WARREN, James Lodger Single M 56 1835 Gardener Enfield Middlesex
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Registration District: Edmonton
Civil Parish: Enfield

Address: 13, Churchbury Road, Enfield County: Middlesex

On the Ancestry version this note has been added to the record for Florrie Bell:
"Maria Burles rather than Florrie Bell
This is a transciption error. Maria was the sister of my great grandmother for whom I have the certificates Submitted by Kimxxxxxxx on 08/10/2007"

Definitely looks like the enumerator misheard.

Thanks again, it was the only one that had both names but our right they have to be somewhere.

That's it I give up for this evening, off to bed now.

Yes, it was a long shot!

KEEN, Alice Rhoda Head Widow F 36 1875 Charwork Faversham
KEEN, May Alice Daughter Single F 16 1895 Cartridge Maker Faversham
KEEN, Lily Violet Daughter F 11 1900 School Faversham
GOLFINCH, Henry Thomas Boarder Single M 30 1881 Coal Porter Badlesmere Kent
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Registration District: Faversham
Sub District: Faversham
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: Faversham Within

Address: 81 Westgate Road Faversham County: Kent

They'll turn up somewhere, will just take time.

I have been going through the 1911 census and under Summary Books using just first names I have found:-

Alice Rhoda KEEN
Residing Kent, England

Can someone see who else is with her please, it is a real long shot but worth a look.

Thanks

Thank you so much. I did wonder that as I can't find any records for any of them under that name.

Well, I'm stumped for now. Quite possibly MAria was living with someone and they were registered under his name.

Will keep digging.

Those children are all Sarah & Joseph William's they were recorded as niece's & nephews as all born before parents marriage and given mothers maiden name. Presumably to avoid disgrace.

Maria's not with her mother or sister in 1911 (who's are those Burles children?)

WILLIAMS, Joseph Head Married M 32 1879 Bricklayer Labour Hoborn London
WILLIAMS, Sarah Wife Married 2 years F 29 1882 Enfield
WILLIAMS, Arthur Son M 2 1909 Enfield
WILLIAMS, Charles Son M 0 (4 MONTH) 1911 Enfield
BURLES, Jane M I Law Widwo F 67 1844 Enfield
BURLES, Dorthey Niece F 9 1902 School Enfield
BURLES, Catharne Niece F 6 1905 Enfield
BURLES, Joseph Nephew M 4 1907 Enfield
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Registration District: Edmonton
Sub District: Enfield
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: Enfield

Address: 10 Canton Road Enfield County: Middlesex

That is the right Benjamin but again both the daughters are missing.

The only other info I know is that Benjamin ran away in 1905 with an Emily Bookless nee Emery and had two more children another daughter named Doris Mary born Sept 1905 and a son named Thomas Benjamin 1907 -1907. These were born in Birmingham.

Benjamin is saying he's married in 1901, although Maria seems to be denying all knowledge!

CUTTEN, Elizabeth Head Widow F 65 1836 High Easter Essex
CUTTEN, Benjamin Son Married M 35 1866 Bricklayer Waltham Abbey Essex
CHOFFING, Elsie Grand Daughter F 6 1895 Reading Berkshire
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Registration District: Edmonton
Civil Parish: Enfield

Address: 2, Forty Hill Cottage Row, Enfield County: Middlesex

Yes that is their marriage.

Well that is the right Maria with her mother and sister but where are her husband and daughter's Sarah & Alice how strange.

Maria married in 1895 also in Enfield, Middlesex.

Is this the marriage you had for them?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1895
>>Burles Maria Edmonton 3a 613
>>Cutten Benjamin William Edmonton 3a 613
Hale Hilda Edmonton 3a 613
Woods Arthur George Edmonton 3a 613

Alice's birth address was handy for 1901:

BURLES, Jane Head Widow F 56 1845 Enfield Middlesex
BURLES, Maria Daughter Single F 27 1874 Laundress Washer Enfield Middlesex
BURLES, Sarah Daughter Single F 20 1881 Charwoman Enfield Middlesex
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Registration District: Edmonton
Civil Parish: Enfield Municipal

Address: 79, Churchbury Road, Enfield County: Middlesex

** BUT, it says Maria is single and no mention of Alice?

Unfortunately I don't know. Someone looked for them for me but they couldn't be found but all the children were born Enfield, Middlesex so my guess would be there.

Alice was born April 1900 at 79 Churchbury Road, Enfield.
George born unknown Enfield.
Doris was born July 1904 at 3 Chaseside Gardens or Terrace, Enfield.
John was born September 1905 at 3 Chaseside Gardens or Terrace, Enfield.

If any of that helps.

Hi Kim - where were they in 1901 (just to help us get our bearings)