Find Ancestors

I wonder if anyone can help me finish my family Clark tree.
Am stuck with John James Clark born 1836 - so can't get birth certificate.
Born Middx - prob East end of London.
His father was also John according to his marriage certif, and both were labourers. His fathers address on certificate was Waverly Road.
His wife was Jane Kidd and lots of people helped me last week with her family
Can anyone find his mothers name - I know its a long shot as Clark is a fairly common London name and loads on 1841 census.
Thanks.

Do you know if he had any siblings . What about the witnesses on his marriage cert ,could these be family members?

when did he marry ? have you tried an address search for the nearest census

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John James Clark
Name: John James Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1836
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1836
Father's Name: John Clark Coachman*****
Mother's Name: Ann Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Do not usually get the address for the father on a marriage cert

Where did he marry and when ?

Which census have you found him on ?

Don't know of any siblings - names on certificate not the same - John Wilson and Mary Wheeler

??
1841
CLARK, John M 60 1781 VIEW
CLARK, Sarah F 50 1791 Middlesex VIEW
CLARK, Simon M 15 1826 VIEW
CLARK, Jemima F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
CLARK, Sarah F 10 1831 Middlesex VIEW
CLARK, John M 5 1836 Middlesex VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Piece:
737 Book/Folio:
16/7 Page:
6 Registration District:
Westminster

Civil Parish:
St John the Evangelist Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
New Rochester Row, St John The Evangelist, Westminster County:
Middlesex

father is an out Army pensioner. They were often later labourers

Also this baptism

Name: John James Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1837
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1837
Father's Name: John Clark
Mother's Name: Sarah Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


Rule this one out as father is a mariner

Name: CLARK, John James
Registration District: Kensington
County: London
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 1A
Page No: 145
MarriageFinder™: John James Clark

KIDD, Jane view record

Just for info

Name: John James Clark
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Jane Kidd
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Mar 1859
Parish: Paddington St James
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Clark
Spouse Father Name: John Kidd
Register Type: Parish Register

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John James Clark
Name: John James Clark
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Jane Kidd
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Mar 1859
Parish: Paddington St James
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Clark
Spouse Father Name: John Kidd
Register Type: Parish Register

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John James Clark
Name: John James Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 2nd April 1837 **********
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1837
Father's Name: John Clark MARINER****
Mother's Name: Sarah Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address Sutton St

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John James Clark
Name: John James Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 21st Nov 1838 ***********
Baptism Date: 23 Dec 1838
Father's Name: John Clark Labourer******
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

I know its quitea long stot to find him - so many Clarks
I think he may be in the 1851 census at St. Luke Middx.

Don't think its 1841 at Westminster if father is mariner.

When did he die ?

Have you found him on 1861 or has he already died by then

I was only putting up the ones with their fathers occupations to see if we could match any of them.

Is this your John James on the census as sometimes the names of their children give a clue.If this is them he says he was born in Stepney.

1881 England Census
about John Clark
Name: John Clark
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Clark
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England ***************

Civil parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Church Road

Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1388
Folio: 96
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John Clark 48
Jane Clark 44
John Clark 15
Albert Clark 9
William Clark 6
George Clark 4
Eliza Clark 3

John and Jane lived in Chelsea for 1871 census, but can't find them in 1881 - so presumably dead.
I just can't find John James as a child in 1841 or 1851 he married 1859
I shall try Waverley Road in address search for 1851 - It might be his last address before marrying

Thanks to all for trying

1871 just for info

Name: John I Clark
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Clark
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Kensal Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North-East
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 107
Piece: 91
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
John I Clark 34
Jane Clark 32
John I Clark 11
Susan Clark 10
Henry G Clark 9
Louisa Clark 7
Charlotte I Clark 6
Frances Clark 5
Alfred Clark 3
William Clark 1

1861 England Census
about John James Clarke
Name: John James Clarke
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Clarke
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 111
Piece: 39
Folio: 128
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
John James Clarke 25
Jane Clarke 21
John James Clarke 1
Susan Ann Clarke 9 MO

There is a tree on Ancestry with John James and Jane Kidd on and it says his parents are John Clark and Ann.