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My great uncle, Joseph Francis Finnie, was born at Scissett, near Huddersfield, in 1887. But he seems to have disappeared from the public record in 1911, when that year's census described him as a 24 year old gardener working at Mentmore Towers, in Buckinghamshire. There is a possibility that he went to the United States or Canada, and may have married out there. A member of the Finnie family ran the Four Provinces bar in Washington. He could be Joseph or related to Joseph. Joseph's parents were Andrew and Margaret Finnie, both from Sligo though they married in England and lived at Scissett and Skelmanthorpe. Joseph Francis Finnie's siblings included my grandfather, Bernard Joseph Finnie, born in 1890 at Nortonthorpe, Scissett, Yorkshire. I would be very grateful if anyone can find out what happened to Joseph Francis Finnie. Did he emigrate to the US? Did he marry? And when and where did he die?
Best wishes
Nick Bannister
PS: I find it strange that two boys in the same family, born within 4 years of each other, both shared the Christian name Joseph, albeit one of them having it as their second Christian name!

Name: Joseph Finnie
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1887
Registration district: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9a
Page: 294 (click to see others on page)

Nicholas


the sharing of names is not that unusual


However ...... was this family Catholic?


Because Catholic children were given a seond name by the parish Priest when they went through confirmation at around 11 or 12


and I noticed that Bernard was Bernard in 1891, and Bernard Joseph in 1901.


Joseph was plain Joseph in 1891, and Joseph Francis in 1901



sylvia

For Ref

1901 England Census
about Joseph Francis Finnie Name: Joseph Francis Finnie
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Andrew Finnie
Mother's Name: Margaret Finnie
Gender: Male
Where born: Nortonthorpe, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Skelmanthorpe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Kirkburton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Piece: 4099
Folio: 82
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Finnie 44
Margaret Finnie 45
Joseph Francis Finnie 14
Bernard Joseph Finnie 10
Mgt Mary Finnie 9
Leo Donbuy Finnie 2

1911 census transcription details for: Mentmore Gardens Leighton Buzzard Bedfordshire
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN8977 RG78PN475 RD177 SD2 ED3 SN50

Reg. District: Leighton Buzzard Sub District: Wing
Parish: Mentmore Enum. District: 3
Address: Mentmore Gardens Leighton Buzzard Bedfordshire
County: Bedfordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
WARD, William Henry Head Single M 33 1878 Gardener Domestic Co Wicklow Ennisberry Resident
BURFORD, James Duncan Single M 22 1889 Gardener Domestic Switzerland Resident
MACFARLANE, George Archibald Single M 23 1888 Gardener Domestic Fifeshire Markiner Resident
ALLAN, Walter Single M 28 1883 Gardener Domestic Hampshire Alresford
FINNIE, Joseph Francis Single M 24 1887 Gardener Domestic Yorkshire Huddersfield
ELLIOT, William Thomson Single M 24 1887 Gardener Domestic Midlothian Inverest Resident
WIGHTMAN, John Single M 19 1892 Gardener Domestic Midlothian Cockpin Resident
WELLER, William Willis Single M 25 1886 Gardener Domestic Sussex Groonbridge
JOHNSTON, William Henry Single M 24 1887 Gardener Domestic Lanarkshire Bailieston Resident
SAUNDERS, Frederick Richard Single M 21 1890 Gardener Domestic Sussex Rye Harbour
WOODRUFF, Albert Single M 23 1888 Gardener Domestic Bucks Wingrave
NAYLOR, Joseph Single M 21 1890 Gardener Domestic Derbyshire Rodsley

Its not unusual to name two children the same It happened in my maternal grans family . two boys born four years apart both named James. one was James Herbert and the other James Joseph . Both survived in to adulthood and each was known by their second name.

Theres no migration record coming up on FMP

Please remove your email address its against the rules to post this on the site

Edit : after explaining by Pm how to delete the email address Nick has now removed it

Nick
A couple of things come to mind. He would be expected to join up in 1914 when he would be about 28, have you checked out the military side. Sorry I can't help with that one although there will be people who can. Also I noticed that his family remained in Huddersfield. Depending on the wording of the obituaries of his parents, Margaret who died in 1922 aged 70 and Andrew who died, probably with the wrong age, at 91 in Dec 1941 it may well mention the names of their children. This information may be in the Huddersfield Examiner. If a 'child' is abroad it is often mentioned or if he died it would be entered as the 'late' which would partly answer your enquiry.-jl

Nick has answered on a p.m.-jl

Janet

Would you be kind enough to respond and advise him to remove his e-mail.............he risks having the thread deleted if he doesn't

And also please advise him to use the 'add your reply' box

Flick- with due respect....what did your last slave die of????-jl

Janet


well, you did say that you had contact with Nick :-D


............. and the rest of us are none the wiser as to whether anything Nick said in his pm would be helpful to other helpers


I will add here that Nick replied to me, saying that the family was Catholic, in response to my suggestion that the second forenames might be from confirmation. So that removes that query from the opening post.



As I presume that you did not contact Nick again, I will myself contact him with the suggestions from Flick (and earlier Shirley)



sylvia

I have sent a pm

.......... and can only hope that Nick will open it. He has not yet opened a previous pm that I sent 2 days ago.



sylvia

Sylvia, just to confirm I have not contacted Nick via a p.m. He answered me. I have done all my communicating via this board.
If Nick has read my message then it follows that he has read Shirley's advice not to post his email on these boards. I am not here to police this board on behalf of other people. We all try to help in our own way and being told, however 'politely' what to do, is a no no.-jl

Just looked in again and see the email address is still here.

Nick PM.d me 2 days ago,asked how he could delete his email address I replied telling him how to get into his threads and how to Edit his responses.
i also told him how to reply on threads rather than sending PM,s

He hasn't opened the PM as yet !! :-(

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am still slightly baffled by some of the abbreviations. What is a "PM"? How do I reply to/open it? I am still puzzled about how to remove my email address from an earlier post. My heart is willing but my technical mind is confused!
I apologise for my lack of response but for the last week our family has been in a state of chaos as we've been helping our younger daughter to see film of/prepare press conference address for/ delivering artwork to National Army Museum/ unveiling of portrait of lead horse, etc etc in connection with Steven Spielberg's film of Michael Murpurgo's book "War Horse". She was the film's equine artistic adviser and head of the equine hair and make up department. But now to serious matters....this email address problem!

Sylvia,
Many thanks. I have found your post with the instructions on how to remove my email address!!! I have carried them out to the letter, and behold, the email address has vanished!
:-)
Nick

Hi Nick!

congratulations .... you're now a fully fledged poster on here :-D


and also congratulations to your daughter. How exciting for you all!



sylvia

Well done Nick for sorting out the email. I will just copy out the information I was going to send you along with the reminder about using this board.( just in case anyone else might want to check with the Huddersfield Examiner) . Unfortunately it doesn't give any helpful progress., I didn't have time to look for his mothers

Thursday Oct 2nd 1941- Huddersfield Examiner
FINNIE - On Oct 1st at AVONA 288 Quarmby Road Huddersfield. Andrew the dearly beloved husband of the late Margaret Finnie in his 92 year. Interment at Skelmanthorpe Cemetery on Saturday 1045. Requiem Mass 0930 at St Brigids Church Lowergate. Friends please accept this intimation.
-jl