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Edward Henry John STONER - birth indexed 3Q1863 Dartford 2a 270
Edward H J STONER - death indexed 4Q1948 Edmonton 5e 370 aged 85

Seeking census sightings! (I've failed to find him)

Alan

Have you checked the LDS version of the 1881?

It allows for variations.........

Have you searched using either - or both- of his forenames other than Edward?

It would probably help if you got his birth cert to see who his parents were . makes it easier to search for the right family then on the census's

1911?????

1911 census - household transcription
Person: STONER, Henry
Address: 289 Wightman Road Hornsey N


STONER, Henry Head Married M 47 1864 Manager Furriers Crayford Kent VIEW
STONER, Alice Wife Married
18 years F 38 1873 Victoria Australia Resident VIEW
STONER, John Son Single M 17 1894 Furrier's Tasmania Resident VIEW
STONER, Alice Daughter Single F 16 1895 Millinery Tasmania Resident VIEW
STONER, Marjorie Daughter F 11 1900 Tasmania Resident VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7197 Reference:
RG14PN7197 RG78PN353 RD132 SD1 ED5 SN419

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Hornsey Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Hornsey

I've been doing Ancestry searches. LDS 1881doesn't offer any Kent matches as STONER with any of his forenames 1863+-5.

Apologies - I should have mentioned all of that.

could be him in the same area he died

1911 census
STONER, Henry Head Married M 47 1864 Manager Furriers Crayford Kent VIEW
STONER, Alice Wife Married
18 years F 38 1873 Victoria Australia Resident VIEW
STONER, John Son Single M 17 1894 Furrier's Tasmania Resident VIEW
STONER, Alice Daughter Single F 16 1895 Millinery Tasmania Resident VIEW
STONER, Marjorie Daughter F 11 1900 Tasmania Resident VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7197 Reference:
RG14PN7197 RG78PN353 RD132 SD1 ED5 SN419

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Hornsey Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Hornsey

Address:
289 Wightman Road Hornsey N County:
Middlesex

3 children born

Crayford came under Dartford reg district

Shirley - it's more of a one-name study so while certificates are useful I'm afraid they're rarely an option.

looks like he went abroad at some time and married there as his children were born in Tasmania

Thanks. My 1911 research is limited to the free portion. Without birth places I couldn't pin any of them down as Stoners or find them in other censuses.

It's the right registration district and explains his absence. Will pursue and post any conclusions.

Thanks, Alan

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Henry Stoner Name: Henry Stoner
Birth Date: abt 1863
Age: 40
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1903
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne
[Durban]
[Cape Town]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Persic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Persic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 110620

He's with:
Alice, 39
jack, 9
Alice, 8
Marjorie, 2

daughter alice
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Alice Stoner
Name: Alice Stoner
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 8
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1903
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne
[Durban]
[Cape Town]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Persic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Persic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 110620
travelling with the rest of the family named above

following on from Margee
Name: Alice Stoner
Birth Date: abt 1876
Age: 27
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1903
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne
[Durban]
[Cape Town]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Persic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Persic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 110620


with son Jack 9 daughter Alice 8 & Marjorie 2

intended future residence London

His possible arrival in Australia?

Queensland, Australia, Passenger Lists, 1848-1912
about Henry Stoner Name: Henry Stoner
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1861
Ship Name: Nowshera
Port of Departure: Plymouth, England
Port of Arrival: Cooktown
Arrival Date: 14 Sep 1883

Found a couple of births in Launceston, son in 1894, daughter in 1895, to a Henry Stoner.

Also some leads - a couple of Edmonton marriages, Alice and Marjorie J, and a possible marriage for a John L but in Northampton - can't find an alternative groom at present and his age at death is consistent.

Many thanks for all of the help.

Alan

Final update for information in case of interest.

I now have a marriage for Henry Edward STONER to Alice THOMPSON in Victoria 1892, and Tasmanian births
- John Henry Stoner b 1893 (son of Alice Thompson and Henry Stoner)
- Adelaide Caroline Stoner born 1894 (daughter of Alice Thompson and Henry Stoner)
- Marjorie Julia Stoner b 1900 (daughter of Alice ? and Henry Edward Stoner)

Also Tasmanian burial of a John Henry Stoner in 1971 born 1893 so maybe he returned.

Slight problem with Adelaide Caroline being subsequently known as Alice. No other evidence that both existed.

Thanks again, Alan

maybe as its same area that Edward died
Name: STONER, Alice
Registration District: Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Year of Registration: 1919
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Balfe
Volume No: 3A
Page No: 1370

Name: BALFE, Bernard
Registration District: Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Year of Registration: 1919
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Stoner
Volume No: 3A
Page No: 1370


Name: STONER, Marjorie J
Registration District: Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Year of Registration: 1942
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Bailey
Volume No: 3A
Page No: 2543

Name: BAILEY, Herman L H D
Registration District: Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Year of Registration: 1942
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Stoner
Volume No: 3A
Page No: 2543


Name: BAILEY, Herman Leo H D
Registration District: Bournemouth
County: Dorset
Year of Registration: 1969
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Date of Birth: 6 March 1885
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 398

Here is the marriage notice giving the exact date:

Launceston Examiner, Tuesday 15 November 1892
STONER-THOMPSON.-On 2nd November, at Melbourne, by Rev. O. Bagley, H. Stoner, of Launceston, to Alice Thompson, of Launceston.

There are some advertisements in the Launceston Examiner for H. Stoner, Wholesale and Retail Tobacconist, 147 Charles Street in 1896. In 1895 he was at 116 Brisbane Street, and also had a Melbourne address at Flemington racecourse.

In December 1897, it stated he was leaving for England the following month and was keen to sell his business "the most popular and centrally located tobacconist and hairdressing saloon in Tasmania", connected to a first class billiard saloon!

Seems he was a keen and talented billards player, and also ran a book out of his shop, so I guess he liked the horses too! (i.e. he was a bookie, or bookmaker).

Ah by September 1898 he was back in Launceston after his trip to England, mentioned as "the well-known turf agent".

See NLA Trove newspaper site.

Adelaide/Alice's birth:

Friday 21 December 1894
STONER.-On 19th December, at Tullamore House, Cameron-street, Launceston, the wife of Henry Stoner-of a daughter.

John's birth:

Saturday 30 September 1893
STONER.-On 29th September, at 209 St. John-street, Launceston, the wife of Henry Stoner, of a son.