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Hi I was just wondering if anyone can help me. I am trying in vain to find out information about my grandfather who until now remains a bit of an enigma. I know he was born to an elizabeth Hudson ( net braider) on the 15th april 1909 at 4 coopers place waller street Registration district sculcoates county of kingston upon hull. She lived at 7 warwick terrace warwick street hull. I have later records for him in the military where he lists his father as seaman and has the name richard hill.!!!! and also of his first marriage to his first wife where his surname has changed from hudson to hill, but its his childhood I can't seem to get anywhere with and he would never talk about it with his family. There is no father on the birth certificate. I would really appreciate any help anyone can give me as Im not very experienced in the search techniques.
Thankyou for taking the time to read my post
kim x

just for ref:-
Birth registered as Hudson
Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
Hudson Peter Sculcoates 9d 190

.........you say his mother was Elizabeth Hudson but was Braider her maiden name?
What do you know about her?
When and where was she born?

Are you sure of her maiden name? Not finding much for 'Braider'.
Jan

Could she be Eliza Braider aged 13 on the 1891 census, living with her stepfather William Hartley, mother Serena Hartley , brother Albert Braider 15, Edith Braider 8 & Sam Hartley 2
Living Sheffield.
Looks like she was born Sheffield 1878.

Is net braider her occupation?

I thought she was a Net Braider.

Thelma.
Good thinking. I assumed it was meant to be nee Braider.
No wonder we can´t find her.

Silly me! I thought 'net' was a typo.
Doh.
Jan

Can anyone look at this 1911 census

HILL, Emma 1857 54 F Sculcoates Yorkshire (East riding)
HILL, Peter 1854 57 M Sculcoates Yorkshire (East riding)
HILL, Peter 1909 2 M Sculcoates Yorkshire (East riding)

There is this marriage index but can't find one for Richard Hill

Marriages Jun 1909 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HALLOWELL Thomas Butterworth Hayfield 7b 1830
HILL Albert Hayfield 7b 1830
HUDSON Elizabeth Hayfield 7b 1830
WINTERBOTTOM Sarah Hannah Hayfield 7b 1830

Here it is Thelma. Don't think it can be him.

HILL, Peter Head Married M 57 1854 Oilmiller Fishlike VIEW
HILL, Emma Wife Married
2 years F 54 1857 Housewife Kent VIEW
HILL, Peter Son M 2 1909 Hull VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28588 Reference:
RG14PN28588 RG78PN1643 RD521 SD1 ED11 SN272

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Southcoates Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
1 Ethel Grove Barnsley ST County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

Above 1911 - not likely to be him. I've tried every which way but can't see him as Hudson or Hill:

HILL, Peter Head Married M 57 1854 Oilmiller Fishlike VIEW
HILL, Emma Wife Married
2 years F 54 1857 Housewife Kent VIEW
HILL, Peter Son M 2 1909 Hull VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28588 Reference:
RG14PN28588 RG78PN1643 RD521 SD1 ED11 SN272

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Southcoates Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
1 Ethel Grove Barnsley ST County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

Thanks ***alviegal***
Old enough to be grandparents???

Isn´t Emma a bit old at 54 to be the mother of a 2 year old.
I suppose it´s possible as they appear to have only been married for 2 years
but would have thought it a bit unlikely.

Maybe they had been married for 20yrs and not 2:-

1901

Name: Peter Hill
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Sydehouse, England

Civil parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Alpha Ave

Occupation: Oil Miller

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Drypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Piece: 4486
Folio: 19
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Hill 48
Emma Hill 38
John T Hill 46

This appears to be them in 1901. 1911 does say married 2 years, 1 child born and still living.

HILL, Peter Head Married M 48 1853 Oil Miller
Sydehouse
Engl VIEW
HILL, Emma Wife Married F 38 1863
Greenwich
London VIEW
HILL, John T Lodger Single M 46 1855 Oil Miller
Thorne
Yorkshire VIEW
Piece:
4486 Folio:
19 Page:
29 Registration District:
Sculcoates

Civil Parish:
Sculcoates Municipal Borough:
Address:
4, Nornabell Street Alpha Avenue, Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding)


1891 has Emma married to the lodger in 1901!

HILL, John Thomas Head Married M 35 1856 Oil Millers Pressman
Thorne
Yorkshire
Quay VIEW
HILL, Emma Wife Married F 29 1862
Greenwich
Kent VIEW
ROBINSON, Charles D Stepson M 11 1880 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Clara Stepdaughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
Piece:
3927 Folio:
64a Page:
39 Registration District:
Sculcoates

Civil Parish:
Sculcoates Municipal Borough:
Kingston upon Hull Address:
2, Wards Place, Barmston Street, Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull County:
Yorkshire (East Riding)

Probably of no use, but this family at the Sculcoates address 1911:

SMART, John Head Married M 36 1875 Labour Fitters Hull Yorks
SMART, Charlotte Wife F 34 1877 Hull Yorks
SMART, Mary Daughter F 12 1899 School Hull Yorks
SMART, Lena Daughter F 10 1901 School Hull Yorks
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28669 Reference:
RG14PN28669 RG78PN1648 RD521 SD6 ED12 SN104

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Drypool Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
4 Cooper Place Waller ST County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

Neither of them are at the other address either in 1911:-

FERGUSON, E Head Widow F 41 1870 No Occupation Hull Yorkshire VIEW
FERGUSON, William Son Single M 17 1894 Labourer Hull Yorkshire VIEW
FERGUSON, Joseph E Son Single M 13 1898 School Hull Yorkshire VIEW
FERGUSON, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Hull Yorkshire VIEW
FERGUSON, Jane Anne Daughter Single F 7 1904 Hull Yorkshire VIEW
FERGUSON, Harry Son Single M 4 1907 Hull Yorkshire VIEW
FERGUSON, James Son Single M 1 1910 Hull Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28677 Reference:
RG14PN28677 RG78PN1648 RD521 SD6 ED20 SN79

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Drypool Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
7 Warwick Terrace County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

married for 20yrs - 12 children, 7 living and 5 died

Thankyou to everyone for their efforts in helping me. If I can clarify anything let me know. The occupation of my granfathers mother Elizabeth is a net braider. On his birth certificate she was elizabeth hudson at the previous address and he was registered as peter hudson born at the other address given. I wish I could provide more info especially on her but this is the brick wall I have found myself up against. I did wonder about the Richard and emma hill as I too found this and wondered how a couple in their fifties would have a 2 year boy!!!!! Rumour has it that he was either left/abandoned and that he went to a boys catholic school all in the sculcoates area. All he ever muttered about his family was that his mother was a tart and his father a seaman, not very nice but he wouldnt talk about any of his childhood and we never knew why his surname changed from huson to hill. I have info on him in the military and on these documents he has picked up the middle name of Richard which is why I wondered if Richard and Emma were a link.
Thanks for all your support
kim x

This doesn't help but I think this is Peter and his brother John. Can't think why they are with young Peter though.

1841

ROWLEY, William Head Married M 45 1816 General Labourer
Norton
Yorkshire VIEW
ROWLEY, Mary Wife F 34 1827 General Labourer Wife
Market Weighton
Yorkshire VIEW
HILL, Peter Son In Law M 8 1853 Son In Law Scholar
Kirkhouse
Yorkshire VIEW
HILL, John Son In Law M 6 1855 Son In Law Scholar
Thorne
Yorkshire VIEW
Piece:
3524 Folio:
91 Page:
3 Registration District:
Thorne

Civil Parish:
Fishlake Municipal Borough:
Address:
Village Of Fishlake, Fishlake County:
Yorkshire (West Riding)