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Colin B Thorley
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Elizah Thorley
Mother's Name: Jane Thorley
Gender: Male
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Longton
Ecclesiastical parish: Edensor St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
Elizah Thorley 34
Jane Thorley 39
Colin B Thorley 10
Jane W Jones 18
Ernest Whitfield 19
George Brain 14

Father Baker Confectioner

that looks like the right one for 1901.does it say if the 3 lower people on the census have any relationship to the head of the family?

could you find Jane in 1911
thanks

Colin's army pension papers are on Ancestry he states that an allowance goes to his mother Jane Thorley at 60 Stafford Street Longton Staffs and that she is wholly or partly dependant on him

1917

On the 1901 Jones, Whitfield & Brain were servants

The other 3 people are servants

1911 - Jane's family as servant?

THORLEY, Elizah Head Married M 45 1866 Grocer And Confectioner Staffs Fenton Stoke on Trent
THORLEY, Colen R Son Single M 20 1891 Telephone Engineer Longton Staffordshire
PLANT, Alice Servant Single F 22 1889 General Servant Domestic Offley Marsh Staffs

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Registration District: Stoke upon Trent
Sub District: Longton
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Longton

Address: 60 Stafford St Longton Stoke on Trent County: Staffordshire

2 children born, 1 had died.

No mention of Jane on original.

that would suggest that elijah is dead by 1917 yet I couldn't see an entry that matched in the deaths
there is an elijah thorley dying 1914 but it says 40 years old- that is 9 years out.
Had wanted to know more about Jane as she was always refered to as Aunt Jane Thorley. Is she with colin on the 1911 census?

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THORLEY, Jane Patient Single F 46 1865 Transferrer Staffs Cheadle VIEW

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Registration District: Cheadle
Sub District: Ipstones
Enumeration District: 12
Parish: Cheddleton

Address: Cheddleton Leek County: Staffordshire

Institution: County Lunatic Asylum

**Not sure, the 1901 gives your Jane's birthplace as Caverswall

Actually that make a lot of sense.
Mad Aunt Jane Thorley!!!!!!!!!!!

wonder who the second child was. I guess there is no way of finding out
any ideas?

just realise I stated janes bith as 1870 it was 1860 sorry

what was janes profession in 1901. I would guess with 3 servants she wouldn't have been a transferer, but her dwelling on the 1911 census would fit

Scarey - if you go onto FreeBMD you can search for Thorley births in the right area and timescale, then search for deaths that may correspond (that's all we would do and it's much more satisfying finding these things for yourself)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

thats what I'm attempting right now

Thank you for the info found it solves a puzzle that I've had for some time

Just because someone had servants doesn't mean they were wealthy! Often it was people who lodged with them in return for helping out a bit.

There's no occupation on the 1901. In the 1911 it has Pottery as the industry.

could be an eliza ellen- but there are so many possiblities
I guess this is as far as we can go with this one
thank you

Sorry, where does Eliza Ellen come into this?

No, far from it I didn't expect it to mean wealthy.

I expected that because they had a confectioners shop ,jane would be employed in the shop- which is what the other three probably were.


I have elijah dying in 1924. What year were the army pension papers- there seems to be 1917 written in the posting about it. If it is 1917 jane might only be partly dependant on colin.

Marie Celeste
have found the other child
William Joseph born 1895 christened 8th June ednesor
died 2nd Q 1900

Eliza ellen was the name I might have guessed from the location but checking on family org gave me the right one.
I hadn't known there was a second one until this evening. so mystery totally solved
many many thanks

He enlisted 1917 (was 5'6" and had flat feet, fair hair and a hairy mole on his back) looks like he'd been exempted up until then because of his occupation. He was a signalman and it doesn't look like he was in any theatre of war?

The form Quoy referred to is a standard form enabling deductions to be made from a soldier's pay to anyone who is totally or partly dependent on them - a bit like sending board money back home. It does name his mother Jane at 60 Stafford Road - it also gives his next of kin as his father Elijah at the same address.