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Member Since: January 2004 Posts: 537 Send Message	Ronald	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:19
Member Since: January 2004 Posts: 537 Send Message	Hello All I have details in the 1901 census (on my paternal side) of Annie Kalthoeber H Widow 40 Duster b Bristol, with various Duck children and Kalthoeber children - ref RG13/137/112/68. I cannot find any of them in the 1891 census except Ada and Lily Duck who are with Georgina Duck - ref RG12/120/60/55. Any help greatly appreciated. Ron
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:24
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Posting 1901 for reference: KALTHOEBER, Annie Head Widow F 40 1861 Duster Bristol DUCK, Charles Son Single M 22 1879 Upholsterer Islington London DUCK, Ada Daughter Single F 20 1881 Upholsteress (Machinist) Islington London DUCK, Lily Daughter Single F 18 1883 Carpet Sewer Marylebone London KALTHOEBER, Harry Son Single M 7 1894 St Pancras London KALTHOEBER, Horace Son Single M 4 1897 St Pancras London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: St Pancras Civil Parish: St Pancras Address: 43, Warren Street, St Pancras County: London
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:31
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	In 1901 Ada & Lily are daughters of Annie. In 1891 they're daughters of Georgina: DUCK, Georgina Head Widow F 32 1859 Bristol Gloucestershire DUCK, William Son M 12 1879 Scholar Islington London DUCK, Ada Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Islington London DUCK, Lily Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Marylebone London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Pancras Civil Parish: St Pancras Address: 4, Rothwell Buildings, Grafton Mews, St Pancras, London County: London
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:37
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1893 Brooks Annie Pancras 1b 23 ??Duck Georgina Pancras 1b 23 ??Kalthoeber Harry Pancras 1b 23 Williamson James Smithson Pancras 1b 23 London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Georgina Duck < Widow Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Spouse Name: Harry Kalthoeber < Bachelor - Carver & Gilder Spouse Age: 34 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 08 Oct 1893 Parish: St Thomas, Agar Town County: Surrey Bride's Father: Thomas Cooper - Commercial Traveller Spouse Father Name: William Napoleon Kalthoeber - Carver & Gilder Witnesses: Alfred Harry, Alice & Hannah Kalthoeber and Henry William Alleoram (??)
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 13,276 Send Message	Lindsey*	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:41
	London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Harry Kalthober Name: Harry Kalthober Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1894 Baptism Date: 20 May 1894 Father's Name: Harry Kalthober > gilder Mother's Name: Georgina Kalthober Parish or Poor Law Union: Addlestone 17 Elm Road
	Researching: For better results please give all the details ,name, date place as you can {pictures by me }
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:43
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	I think Georgina and Annie may well be the same person.
Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:46
	Think you need the birth certs to confirm whose daughters they are -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1880 DUCK Ada Florence - Islington 1b 315 Births Jun 1882 Duck Lily Adelaide - Marylebone 1a 529
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:49
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	1881: DUCK, William C Head Married M 26 1855 Hard Metal Worker Bath Somerset DUCK, Georginia Wife Married F 24 1857 Bristol Gloucestershire DUCK, William C Son Single M 2 1879 London Middlesex DUCK, Ada F Daughter Single F 0 1881 London Middlesex DUCK, Agnes Boarder Single F 21 1860 Tailoress Bath Somerset -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Marylebone Civil Parish: St Marylebone Address: 8, Bolsover St, St Marylebone County: London, Middlesex
Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:50
	Son Charles is William C Household: 1881 William C. DUCK Head M Male 26 Bath, Somerset, England Hard Metal Worker Georginia DUCK Wife M Female 24 Bristol, Gloucester, England William C. DUCK Son Male 2 London, Middlesex, England Ada F. DUCK Daur Female 10 m London, Middlesex, England Agnes DUCK Boarder U Female 21 Bath, Somerset, England Tailoress : Dwelling 8 Bolsover St Census Place London, Middlesex, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1877 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>Cooper Georgina - Islington 1b 420 >>>>>Duck William Charles - Islington 1b 420 PRICE Frederick James Islington 1b 420 TAYLOR Sarah Islington 1b 420
Member Since: January 2004 Posts: 537 Send Message	Ronald	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:51
Member Since: January 2004 Posts: 537 Send Message	Well, both Marie Celeste's and Lindsey's latest input are both very interesting to me. I have previously (some time ago) posted a message about my gt grandmother Elizabeth Sarah Kalthoeber, whose birth in 1857 I have never been able to find. In one of the Censuses she is referred to as Elizabeth Brooks Kalthoeber and I guessed that this might be a maiden name of her mother, also Elizabeth. So thanks for that. On Lindsey's post Harry is is shown as a gilder, whicn many of my other Kalthoeber ancestors were, together with being famous bookbinders. Puzzling that both Annie and Georgina were married in the same quarter - they were probanly friends as they both originate from Bristol on the census returns above.
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:52
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Think this proves my Georgina/Annie theory: London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Ada Florence Duck Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880 Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1880 Father's Name: William Charles Duck < Surgical instrument maker Mother's Name: Annie Duck (aka Georgina??) Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary Borough: Islington Address: Luard?? Street
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	13 Oct 2011 23:56
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Ronald - please re-read what was posted, Annie and Georgina are likely the same person! The family seem to flip their names. Their grandchild's baptism : London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: William George Duck Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: 04 Oct 1902 Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1902 Father's Name: William Charles Duck << upholsterer Mother's Name: Annie Georgina Duck (gets confusing!) Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Borough: Camden Address: 6 Harrington Street
Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	14 Oct 2011 00:02
	Can't see a birth for Ann Georgina / Georgina Annie Cooper > > > EDIT I bet this is it with the names sort of joined together. Births Dec 1856 Cooper Georgiana - Bedminster 5c 711
Member Since: January 2004 Posts: 537 Send Message	Ronald	Report	14 Oct 2011 00:05
Member Since: January 2004 Posts: 537 Send Message	I see your point - obviously the Annie Brooks reference is just a coincidence. I think I do need to buy some certificates. Many thanks to all of you for your help
Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 34,375 Send Message	Mike *	Report	14 Oct 2011 00:07
	I bet this is it with the names sort of joined together. Births Dec 1856 Cooper Georgiana - Bedminster 5c 711
Member Since: January 2004 Posts: 537 Send Message	Ronald	Report	14 Oct 2011 00:09
Member Since: January 2004 Posts: 537 Send Message	Mike Think you could be right. Many thanks. Off to bed now. Best regards Ron
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	14 Oct 2011 10:20
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Georgina Cooper < Spinster, of 290 Upper Street Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Spouse Name: William Charles Duck < Imperial Instrument Maker, of 44 Lound ?? Street Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 09 Sep 1877 Parish: All Saints, Battle Bridge County: Middlesex Borough: Islington Father Name: Thomas Cooper < Commercial Traveller Spouse Father Name: Charles Duck < Cabinet Maker Witnesses: Alphonsus Sous ?? and Martha Cooper
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	14 Oct 2011 10:28
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Was it some sort of rule in the Duck family that if your name was William/Charles you had to marry someone with the names Georgina/Annie? Their son's marriage: London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: William Charles Duck < Bachelor, Upholsterer Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Spouse Name: Annie Georgeina Barton < Spinster Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1901 Parish: St James, St Pancras County: London Borough: Camden Father Name: William Charles Duck (Deceased) < Tin Plase Asshe...... Spouse Father: George Barton (Deceased) < Bootmaker Address for both - 69 George Street Witnesses: G Cook & Ellen Dickinson
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	14 Oct 2011 11:51
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Is this your gt gran in 1881, with her fiance? RABTHOEBER, Elizabeth Head Widow F 44 1837 Nurse (Sub Med) Lambeth Surrey RABTHOEBER, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 24 1857 Box Maker Lambeth Surrey BRADSHAW, James Boarder Single M 25 1856 Printer Lambeth Surrey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub District: Trinity Newington Address: 68, Henshaw St, Newington County: London, Surrey MARRIAGE: London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Elizabeth Kalthoeber Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Spouse Name: James Bradshaw < bachelor, Printer Spouse Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 05 Jun 1881 Parish: All Saints, Walworth County: Surrey Borough: Southwark Spouse Father Name: Benjamin Bradshaw (Deceased) - Bootmaker Father Name: Charles (Deceased) - Carpenter Address for both is 68 Henshaw Street. Witnesses: Charles Moule and Mary Ann Rowe
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	14 Oct 2011 12:02
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	A possibility for Elizabeth Sarah's parent's marriage? London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Charles John Kalthoeber < bachelor, bedstead maker Age: Full Age Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Spouse Name: Elizabeth Penn, spinster Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 02 Aug 1858 Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth County: Surrey Borough: Lambeth Father Name: William James Kalthoeber < Bookbinder Spouse Father Name: William Thomas Penn < Dyer Address for both: James Street Witnesses: P Peters ?? and Mary Noble.

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