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Yes I looked at Alice in Burnley, but sort of discounted it because that was one of twins, but drifted off and forgot to see if the boy died, or did he have to die ?

i have researched the family tree quite thouroughly thankyou SylvialnCanada even to the point of visiting the birth places, graves and residences of my relations (see - wardle and smallbridge history group and click on the link Clough family story) so in some of your comments theres no need to be quite so rude - i asked for help as in the past i have had alot of support from other users - i do appriciate the help but some of the comments i am receiving really does put me off requesting help in the future.

thankyou Linsey i think you've cleared up where i have been going wrong - i've been chasing the wrong James clough in the last few weeks and that the information i already have on my tree is correct with James dieing in the war in 1916 in france. many thanks for your help

The problem of course is that Clough is NOT an uncommon name



I think you have to stop flailing around, and trying to make facts fit the script you would like.


You HAVE to buy some bmd certificates, to see if you can solve the problems.


Start by buying Charles Edward's marriage certificate ......... that will give you his father's full name


Then buy Charles Edward's birth certificate ...... that will give you his mother's maiden name, and confirm whether or not she was Mary Farrow

Then you might have to find the marriage of that James W that you say you have "found", and buy that one to ......... just to see whether or not the father


Lindsey is quite right, farming was a protected occupation in both wars, so you have to be very careful of determining whether or not the James Clough of Rochdale who died in 1916 was your James W Clough or not.


You need to find the British Commonwealth War Graves Registers, 1914-1918, where you might be able to find the gravestone record ..... that could tell you the next-of-kin of that James Clough, and determine whether he was yours or not.




sylvia

Possible birth of Ivy


Births Sep 1922 (>99%)

Clough Ivy Baker Rochdale 8e 106


Can't find a suitable possibility for Alice, althought there is one born in Burnley and registered in 1921.



sylvia

David

you really should not have posted 2 separate threads on the Clough family .............. especially when you know so few facts about them!


You are causing people to duplicate efforts in sorting out the information for you.


Please do remember that the people who are helping you, people like Lindsey, Flick and me, are just members like yourself, with perhaps more expertise than you, and certainly more knoeledge of where to look for information


Some of us can work wonders with the smallest bit of information, but you seem to be chasing will o'the wisps, based on very little information or even based on hearsay!



sylvia


and yes, I have duplicated this posting on the other thread

Related thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1282785

I think you need the help of the Library to check who lived at Ramsden road through the years.

Are you sure its not Ramsden wood road ?

This looks as if it is a copy from the Parish Register of James and Mary's marriage

England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910

Name: James Clough
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 04 Oct 1877
Event Place: Spotland (St Clement), Lancashire, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status: Single
Estimated Birth Year:
Father: Andrew Clough
Mother:
Spouse: Mary Farrow
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year:
Spouse's Father: Robert Farrow
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2356367
Digital Folder Number: 004497631
Image Number: 00593





sylvia

Marriage of James and Mary .... and yes, it does look like he amrried Mary Farrow


Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)

>>>>>CLOUGH James Rochdale 8e 41
>>>>>FARROW Mary Rochdale 8e 41
Grindrod Hannah Rochdale 8e 41
Wild John Thomas Rochdale 8e 41



edited ... originally posted the wrong marriage



sylvia

Marriage of Charles Edward and Jane


Marriages Dec 1928 (>99%)

Clough Charles E Howard Haslingden 8e 223
Clough Charles E Greenwood Haslingden 8e 223
Greenwood Jane Clough Haslingden 8e 223
Howard Jane Clough Haslingden 8e 223




sylvia

David


You really haven't got very far in your research have you?!


You had the wrong date for your grandfather's birth ...... out by 7 years!

How much of your other information is guesswork ...... or taken from trees on ancestry without any documentation?


I would love to know where you got your information




sylvia

similar information from www.lancsbmd.org.uk


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CLOUGH Charles E Wuerdle and Wardle Rochdale WUW/28/120




sylvia

Thinks if James is a farmer would he not have been in a reserved occupation.

Only a James Clough died 1916 no middle name?

This looks like Charles Clough's birth registration ... Rochdale is the registration district that includes Wardle

He was born a little earlier than you thought


Births Sep 1881 (>99%)

Clough Charles Edward Rochdale 8e 70


also the birth registrations for the other children shown in the 1901 Census

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)

CLOUGH James Wilfred Rochdale 8e 71


Births Sep 1887 (>99%)

CLOUGH Alice Ellen Rochdale 8e 69


Births Mar 1889 (>99%)

Clough Mary Elizabeth Rochdale 8e 66




all found on www.freebmd.org.uk ................... the free site for all bmds from July 1 1837 to ca 1955 (currently)




sylvia

Dont know, never mind eh !

what on earth did Flick say to get post reviewed???????

for reference purposes


Is this your family in 1901?


1901 Census

Name: Charles Edward Clough
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Clough
Mother's Name: Mary Clough
Gender: Male
Where born: Smallbridge, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wardle
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Whitworth and Wardle

James Clough 52 b.ca 1849, Dearnley, Lancashire, Farmer
Mary Clough 54 b.ca 1847, Stid, Lancashire
Charles Edward Clough 19 Farmer's Son
Jas Wilfrid Clough 15 b.ca 1886, Stid, Clerk Flannellette Works
Alice Ellen Clough 13 b.ca 1888, Stid
Mary Elizabeth Clough 12 b.ca 1889, Stid


Address:- Hursted (or Hunsted) Nook Farm, Wardle




sylvia

crossed through 4 children born all living

CLOUGH, Mary Head Widow F 64 1847 None Lancas Wardle VIEW
CLOUGH, Charles Edward Son Single M 28 1883 Farmer Lancas Wardle VIEW
CLOUGH, James Wilfred Son Single M 24 1887 Farmer Lancas Wardle VIEW
CLOUGH, Alice Ellen Daughter Single F 23 1888 Domestic Servant Lancas Wardle VIEW
CLOUGH, Mary Elizabeth Daughter Single F 22 1889 Teacher Lancas Wardle VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24673 Reference:
RG14PN24673 RG78PN1415 RD470 SD6 ED7 SN145

Registration District:
Rochdale Sub District:
Whitworth and Wardle Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Wardle

Address:
Roads Farm Wardle

thankyou lindsey - i'm off to bed now - i have too many facts, figures names and dates swimming around in my head - i look forward to reading about any information you may happen to dig out. good night

thankyou.
charles clough b - 16th may 1929 d - 17 march 2007 - my father

charles clough b - c1888 d - c1949 m jane greenwood/howard b c1887 d - 1957 - my grandparents (jane was married twice)

its here where i get abit mixed up -
james clough b - c1849 m mary farrow ?? b c 1847
they lived at roads farm in wardle until it was flooded in 1925ish
i'm getting confused with the children they had - i know my grandfather (charles) was 1 of them - then i have -
mary elizabeth b c1889
alice ellen b c1887
james b c 1886 d 1916 in the war in france
but now we've found another james born c 1886 and very much alive until 1951. and he married someone called alice - but we keep finding differant surnames.
i can remember visiting 146 ramsden road in wardle where i met a distant relation - this was in the 1970's
the names were Alice and ivy clough (sisters)

i would love to find out if the 2nd james wilfred belongs to my tree, whom he married and if the alice and ivy i met all those years ago do truely belong to my tree.

any help would be greatly appreciated