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Hi there,

I recently found these people all in one grave I am want to find out the relationship between the children and the adults. Alfred and Elizabeth were married, and I suspec the Cahill individuals are grandchildren but I don't know and would like to find out. Is there a way of doing that?

Thanks:

10/9/1959 Alfred Robinson aged 78 - 20 Pearl Street
22/9/1942 Thomas Cahill 20 ?? - Avon Street
19/6/1945 Baby Cahill - 1 week
22/4/66 Elizabeth Robinson aged 84 - 20 Pearl Street

What area please??

Firstly where is this?

Have you tried to find the marriage between Alfred and Elizabeth get her maiden name and then any children?
jav

you could look on www.freebmd.org.uk ....... a free site!


and see if you can spot a Cahill / Robinson marriage


Look on freebmd for Thomas Cahill birth ........... at that time period mother's maiden name will be shown


Yu could look on freebmd to see if a baby Cahill was born in 1945, and see the mmn



but you surely know this, Peter?




That's all that we would do.




sylvia

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Name: Alfred Robinson
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 1b
Page: 559


Name: Thomas P Cahill
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1942
Age at Death: 27
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 466

Ah excuse me, it is Middlesbrough, Yorkshire.

Alfred and Elizabeth were married in 1908 in Middlesbrough and her maiden name was McKenna.

And yeah I do know about FreeBMD - I am just not being on the ball this evening.

Thanks,

Peter

Possible 1911 census:

ROBINSON, Alfred Head Married 8 years M 30 1881 Labourer Middlesbrough Yorkshire
ROBINSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1883 Middlesbrough Yorkshire
ROBINSON, Mary Daughter F 6 1905 School Middlesbrough Yorkshire
ROBINSON, Harriet Daughter F 2 1909 Middlesbrough Yorkshire
ROBINSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 1911 Middlesbrough Yorkshire
ROBINSON, Thomas Boarder Single M 34 1877 Labourer Middlesbrough Yorkshire

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29264 Reference:
RG14PN29264 RG78PN1696 RD535 SD3 ED1 SN28

Registration District:
Middlesbrough Sub District:
Middlesbrough West Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Middlesbrough

Address:
59 Snowdon Road Middlesbrough County:
Yorkshire (North riding)

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1911

ROBINSON, Alfred Head Married
8 years M 30 1881 Labourer Middlesbrough Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1883 Middlesbrough Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Mary Daughter F 6 1905 School Middlesbrough Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Harriet Daughter F 2 1909 Middlesbrough Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 1911 Middlesbrough Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Thomas Boarder Single M 34 1877 Labourer Middlesbrough Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29264 Reference:
RG14PN29264 RG78PN1696 RD535 SD3 ED1 SN28

Registration District:
Middlesbrough Sub District:
Middlesbrough West Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Middlesbrough

Address:
59 Snowdon Road Middlesbrough County:
Yorkshire (North riding)

Thank you - yes that is the family in 1911. Much appreciated.

Name: David F Cahill
Birth Date: abt 1945
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1945
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 479

Name: David F Cahill
Mother's Maiden Surname: Finn
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 744

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: David F Cahill
Mother's Maiden Surname: Finn
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 744


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: David F Cahill
Birth Date: abt 1945
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1945
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 479



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Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)
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Cahill Thomas Finn Middlesbro 9d 1912
Finn Mary T Cahill Middlesbro' 9d 1912

In relation to this post, can someone please post the following couple in the 1891 census:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
McCANN James Leigh 8c 366 Scan available - click to view
ROBERTS Jacob Williams Leigh 8c 366 Scan available - click to view
ROBINSON Alice Leigh 8c 366 Scan available - click to view
WEBB Martha Selina Leigh 8c 366 Scan available - click to view

I am looking for James McCann and Alice Robinson - Alice, I suspect was born c. 1871 in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire.

Can you confirm with the 1891?

Thanks,

Peter

This is because the most likely birth of Thomas Cahill who died in 1945 aged 27 is:

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Cahill Thomas McCann Middlesbro 9d 1158 Scan available - click to view

His parents marriage seems to be:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
CAHILL John Middlesboro' 9d 1254 Scan available - click to view
CROLL John Middlesbro' 9d 1254 Scan available - click to view
Hogg Margaret Middlesbro' 9d 1254 Scan available - click to view
McCann Alice Middlesbro' 9d 1254 Scan available - click to view
PEARSON William Middlesbro' 9d 1254 Scan available - click to view

Now, a sister of Alfred Robinson (1878-1959), and a distant aunt of mine, is Alice Robinson b. 1871 in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire. I have never been able to find anything on her after 1881. So, could Alice McCann be here? This could be a previous marriage, could it not?

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
McCANN James Leigh 8c 366 Scan available - click to view
ROBERTS Jacob Williams Leigh 8c 366 Scan available - click to view
ROBINSON Alice Leigh 8c 366 Scan available - click to view
WEBB Martha Selina Leigh 8c 366 Scan available - click to view

Also, the 1898 marriage in Middlesbrough seems to be next to a Hogg marriage, who could be a cousin of Alice Robinson. Her mother's maiden name was Hogg.

In relation to your original posting:

Possible birth and death of Thomas Cahill:

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
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Cahill Thomas McCann Middlesbro 9d 1158

1911 census:
CAHILL, John Head Married M 47 1864 Steelworker Steel Rails Etc Yorkshire Middlesbro VIEW
CAHILL, Alice Wife Married F 32 1879 Yorkshire Mbro VIEW
CAHILL, Mary Daughter F 10 1901 School Yorkshire Mbro VIEW
CAHILL, Johanna Daughter F 8 1903 School Yorkshire Mbro VIEW
CAHILL, John Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Yorkshire Mbro VIEW
CAHILL, Helen Niece Single F 19 1892 General Servant Domestic Yorkshire Mbro VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29269 Reference:
RG14PN29269 RG78PN1696 RD535 SD3 ED6 SN156

Registration District:
Middlesbrough Sub District:
Middlesbrough West Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Middlesbrough

Address:
50 Brougham St Middlesbrough County:
Yorkshire (North riding)


Name: Thomas P Cahill
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1942
Age at Death: 27
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 466

In a very roundabout way it is making sense. It is a little confusing but I am currently sending emails requesting relationship details from the relevent register offices.

Thanks again

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1891


VENABLES, Jane Wife Married F 38 1853
Barnard Castle VIEW
VENABLES, Ellen J Daughter Single F 15 1876
Darlington VIEW
MOAT, James Boarder Single M 40 1851 General Labourer
Barnard Castle VIEW
>>>>>ROBINSON, Alice Boarder Single M 18 1873 General Labourer
Middlesbrough VIEW

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Piece:
4005 Folio:
65 Page:
9 Registration District:
Middlesbrough

Civil Parish:
Middlesbrough Municipal Borough:
Middlesbrough Address:
1, Grahams Yard, Richmond Street, Middlesbrough County:
Yorkshire (North Riding)

Oh confusing me now lol maybe I jumped to a few conclusions ...

James McCann didn't marry Alice Robinson in 1887


http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk


MCCANN James WEBB Martha Selina

Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/40/54

Thanks Choccy - I think in my excitement to find Alice I made 2 plus 2 and got 8! I wonder where she went - the 1891 you found could be her. Similar age and 'right' part of the town where family lived.

Hi,
Where did you get your information about the other people in the same grave? Was it from a web site?

I am just wondering if your ancestors grave was a Common Grave.

My Gt Granparents are in Common Graves and they are with other people unrelated to them.

Have you been to see the grave and confirmed with a Grave Digger to see if it's Private or Common Grave?

Edit.

It might also have been pre-owned. Just something to consider.