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hi my great grandmother was mary elizabeth healey born 1861 parents elizabeth brooks father phineas healey the second one asi already found his father also phineas anyway elizabeth brooks married phineas in 1859 just trying to find anymore children or was my great granmother a only child mary married jonathan neild turner

thang you all again :-)

Have you found them on any censuses?
Thanks

Added:
Is this Mary:
Births Jun 1860
HEALEY Mary Elizabeth Rochdale 8e 24

no only have mary in 1881 boarder at 3 oakden st casleton with a martha clegg then have her with jonathan and family but nothing of her family


thank you

1861 England Census about Phineas Healey
Name: Phineas Healey
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizth Healey
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Within
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 198
Piece: 3037
Folio: 106
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Phineas Healey 19
Elizth Healey 19
Elizth Healey 11 MO
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1871
Name: Mary Eliz Healey
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Albans
Town: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Nearer
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 4118
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
William Orritt 33
Eliz Orritt 33
James Wm Orritt 9
Robert Orritt 4
Phineas Horritt 1
Mary Eliz Healey 10

His death, so should be in 1871?
Deaths Mar 1879
Healey Phineas 38 Oldham 8d 540

thank you all more family to look at now

glitterbaby should it be orritt or horrit


thanks again

1871 strange on the image as William looks like Orritt but Phineas is on next page and it is Horritt


Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
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Horritt Phineas Rochdale 8e 27

If this is Phineas in 1851, his Father appears to be James not Phineas
1851 England Census
Phenas Healey
Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son Father's Name: James Healey
Mother's Name: Ruth T Healey
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wardleworth Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Rochdale County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street Address: 7 Park Lane
Registration district: Rochdale Sub-registration district: Wardleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 2246 Folio: 55 Page Number: 10

James Healey 37 Rochdale Hatter (Body Maker)
Ruth T Healey 31
Elizabeth Healey 13
Phenas Healey 9
Sarah E Healey 6
John T Healey 3
Mary A Healey 1 MO

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2246; Folio: 55; Page: 10; GSU roll: 87266-87267.

hi patchem
i have this from family group record and someone of roots was helpfull
thomas healey about 1750
wife ann about 1754
rachel 17 may 1776 of church lane
alice 11 june 1778
ann 18 sep 1785
elizabeth 7 oct 1787 church lane
phineas 7 oct 1787 church lane
the dates are the christenings

thanks

hi patchem
i have this from family group record and someone of roots was helpfull
thomas healey about 1750
wife ann about 1754
rachel 17 may 1776 of church lane
alice 11 june 1778
ann 18 sep 1785
elizabeth 7 oct 1787 church lane
phineas 20 june 1790 church lane
the dates are the christenings
this is mary healey grandfather my other phineas was born 1830 thats marys father
thanks

just for ref

Baptisms: 20 Dec 1830 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Phineas Healey - Child of Phineas Healey & Betty
Abode: Packer Meadow
Occupation: Hatter
Baptised by: F.R.Raines Curate
Register: Baptisms 1830 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 114, Entry 911
Source: LDS Film 1545796

and his twin?

Baptisms: 20 Dec 1830 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Edmund Healey - Child of Phineas Healey & Betty
Abode: Packer Meadow
Occupation: Hatter
Baptised by: F.R.Raines Curate
Register: Baptisms 1830 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 114, Entry 910
Source: LDS Film 1545796

6 other children shown on lan-opc.org.uk

Have you got Elizabeth Brooks & Phineas Healey's marriage certificate Wendy?

I think you may have skipped a generation.

Phineas born in 1830 died in 1842, so can't be Mary Elizabeth's father.

Your Phineas was only 19 in 1861, making the one that Patchem found in the 1851 census, son of James & Ruth, the most likely candidate.


Here is the burial record for the Phineas who was baptised in 1830, from the FamilySearch site....https://familysearch.org/

Phineas Healey
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
birth: 1830
burial: 04 Nov 1842 St. Chad'S,? Rochdale,? England
residence: Packer Meadow
parents: Betty Healey


name: Phineas Healey
gender: Male
burial date: 04 Nov 1842
burial place: St. Chad'S, Rochdale, England
age: 12
birth date: 1830
mother's name: Betty Healey
indexing project (batch) number: B01626-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1594107

Possible sibling for Mary Elizabeth Healey........


Name: Edmund Healey
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Sep 1862
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Chad's, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Phineas Healey
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00582-8
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1342499
Reference Number: p 58


And with his grandparents in 1881.......

1881 England Census
about Edmund Healey Name: Edmund Healey
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 9 New York Street
Education:

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Occupation: Boiler Maker

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4103
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
James Healey 67
Ruth Healey 62
Edmund Healey 17


There is also a baptism for Sarah Healey 1865, with the same parents....https://familysearch.org/

From FMPast:
Manchester Prison Registers 1847-1881

First name: Phineas

Last name: Healey

Age: 24

Where born Place: Lancashire

Where born County/Country: Lancashire

When Received Date: Sep 1868

Locality of Record: Belle Vue prison, West Gorton (Manchester City & Borough Gaol)

Place: West Gorton

County: Lancashire

Title of Records: General Register (Male and female)

Film: M600-1-1-7

Date Range: 1868-1869

Register No: 48641
Record source: Manchester Prison Registers

Data provider: Manchester Archives

Very hard to read. I think he deserted from the 19th of foot. Married,occ:grinder. 3 children. Father james.

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Manchester Prison Registers 1847-1881

First name: Phineas

Last name: Healey

Age: 24

Where born Place: Rochdale

Where born County/Country: Lancashire

When Received Date: May 1865

Locality of Record: Salford New Bailey Prison

Place: Salford

County: Lancashire

Title of Records: General Register Male

Film: M600-2-2

Date Range: 1863-1866

Register No: 2950

Page: 189



Record source: Manchester Prison Registers

Data provider: Manchester Archives

Looks like neglect of family was the charge.

Maureen

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1871 England Census about Sarah Healey
Name: Sarah Healey
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Adopted Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Spotland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Norden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Spotland Further Side
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 124
Piece: 4122
Folio: 97
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bull 39
Hannah Bull 38
Sarah Healey 6

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4122; Folio: 97; Page: 24;

Maureen

thank you all again looks like i was looking for the wrong phineas then
i have most of my g grandfather but nothing on my g grandmother all i knew was that she was mary e healey she married jonathan neild turner in about
jan /feb/mar qtr rochdale 1882 think i will have to look at what patchem has down first

thank you again wendy

hi guys sorry to be a pain but the james healey that patchem posted maybe mine i had a look on bmd and james if the right one born 1814 baptised st chads 20 march 1814 son of phineas healey and betty /elizabeth

so who was mary elizabeths parent was it james son phineas i am lost now

thanks wendy :-S

If you buy the birth certificate of Mary it will have her parents' names on it.
No guessing, not lost, just a certificate for confirmation.

mary's marriage to Jonathon. If you know this as a proven fact it shows her fatheras Phineas

Marriage: 1 Mar 1882 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Jonathan Neild Turner - (X), 20 Mule Spinner Bachelor of Pump St.
Mary Elizabeth Healey - (X), 21 Spinster of Oakden St.
Groom's Father: Robert Turner, Moulder
Bride's Father: Phinehas Healey, Grinder
Witness: James Herbert Turner; Celia Turner, (X)
Married by Banns by: A.W. Wiseman Curate
Register: Marriages 1876 - 1883, Page 198, Entry 396
Source: LDS Film 1484386