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Hoping someone can help with this family. This is what I have so far

Robert William Williams married Isabella Stephenson on 16 May 1853 in Lambeth, Surrey. The cert says both of full age [so no help there] and Robert is a carpenter, as is his father John

The family then appear on the 1871 census In Fullham: RG10, piece 72, folio 53, page 41
Wiiliams, Isabella, head, Widow, 40 1831, Confectioner, Scotland
Williams, Isabella, dau, 16 1855 Adelaide South Australia
Williams, Eliza dau 13 1858 Amhurst, Victoria, Australia
Williams Robert S, son 9 1862 Amhurst, Victoria, Australia
Williams, Mary Dau 7 1864 Amhurst, Victoria, Australia
Williams Ada dau 5 1866 Amhurst, Victoria, Australia

Somewhere between May 1853 and 1855 Robert and Isabella must have travelled to Australia, and came back between 1866-1871.
Whether Robert died in Australia or back in England I'm not sure.

I have traced Isabella Stephenson back and I have traced the family forwards from 1871, so i don't need help with that but I don't seem to able to find Robert on the 1841/51 census' but not having an approx birth year doesn't help

Can anyone help with the Australian births and possibly with the death of Robert? I have had a look on Ancestry and there is a likely birth for Robert Stephenson Williams but as I don't have a worldwide subscription I can't check it is him.

Also I have looked at the IGI but they are submitted records and they have the marriage date wrong anyway

Thank you

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Robert Stephenson Williams
Name: Robert Stephenson Williams
Father's Name: Robert William Williams
Mother's Name: Isabella Stephenson
Birth Place: Amherst, Victoria
Registration Year: 1861
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 16000



Ref

1871 England Census
about Isabella Williams
Name: Isabella Williams
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Isabella Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Aselaide, Austria
[Australia]
Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 72
Folio: 59
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Williams 40
Isabella Williams 16 >>Oz
Eliza Williams 13 <<Oz
Robert S Williams 9
Mary Williams 7 <<Oz
Ada Williams 5 <<Oz
Rebecca Baker 64 <<<Mother



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Robert William Williams
Name: Robert William Williams
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1867
Age at Death: 39
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 157

Is'nt it Robert William Williams you are looking for?

jax

Thank you Ginny for confirming that birth and that is the right 1871 but the transcriptions all seemed to have moved down a line, Rebecca Baker lives with the next family down, if that makes sense.

It is Jax, but would like to confirm the childrens births if at all possible

And in case anyone recognises Robert jnr I posted a general query asking why a 'a' was posted next to a page number on a birth index a few days ago and his name was mentioned as it was his daughters birth

Passengers leaving Melbourne Victoria heading for London on the ship " KENT" in 1867

Note: Ages would be approx

Family name.. Given name.. Age ...Ship name... Departure month... Departure year ..Destination ...month ...Film Ref year ....Page
WILLIAMS R MR 42 KENT FEB 1867 LONDON FEB 1867 006
WILLIAMS ---- MRS 39 KENT FEB 1867 LONDON FEB 1867 006
WILLIAMS ISABELLA 11 KENT FEB 1867 LONDON FEB 1867 006
WILLIAMS ELIZA 9 KENT FEB 1867 LONDON FEB 1867 006
WILLIAMS ROBT 5 KENT FEB 1867 LONDON FEB 1867 006
WILLIAMS MARY 3 KENT FEB 1867 LONDON FEB 1867 006
WILLIAMS ---- INFANT WITH I KENT FEB 1867 LONDON FEB 1867 006



Tony ( Victoria Australia )

I cant see the marriage for Robert and Isabela only the Banns?

Do you have a copy of the mariage cert to identify who his father is?

x

You say you wanted the Australian births

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Mary Williams
Name: Mary Williams
Father's Name: Robert William Williams
Mother's Name: Isabel Stephenson
Birth Place: Amherst, Victoria
Registration Year: 1863
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 11679

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Ada Williams
Name: Ada Williams
Father's Name: Robert William Williams
Mother's Name: Isabella Stephenson
Birth Place: Amherst, Victoria
Registration Year: 1865
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 12652

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Isabella Williams
Name: Isabella Williams
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1855
Father's Name: Robert William Williams
Mother's Name: Isabella Stephenson
Birth Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 126
Volume Number: 5

Hi Patricia,

Further to TonyOz, there was also Annie aged 7 travelling back with the family, below are her birth details

Surname: Williams
Given Name: Anne
Fathers Name: Robert Williams
Mothers Name: Isabella Stephenson
Birthplace: Amherst
Yr: 1859
Reg No: 15352

as well as confirmation of

Surname: Williams
Given Name: Eliza
Fathers Name: Robert William
Mothers Name: Isabella Stephenson
Birthplace: Amherst
Yr: 1857
Reg No: 16454

Joy

So going on the shipping lists posted and the death I posted, Robert William Williams came back with the family and died shortly after

This matches the death I posted

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Robert William Williams
Name: Robert William Williams
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1828
Baptism Date: 12 Oct 1828
Father's Name: John Williams
Mother's Name: Julia Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark Christ Church
Borough: Southwark

And this from a tree on Ancestry

Robert William Williams
Straffon Steeden 2010 Tree
Birth: 1828 - Southwark, Surrey
Marriage: 16 May 1852 - Lambeth, Surrey
Parents: John Williams, Julia Abraham
Spouse: Isabella Stephenson

This looks like the marriage but there is a 'bride' missing from the record

Marriages Jun 1853 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Foreman Eleanor Lambeth 1d 530
Harland George Lambeth 1d 530
WILLIAMS Robert William Lambeth 1d 530


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Isabella Stephenson
Name: Isabella Stephenson
Spouse Name: Robert William Williams
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 May 1853
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Robert Stephenson
Spouse Father Name: John Williams

Thank you Tony, MeJoy and Ginny

I had spotted a couple of deaths but not having any idea of age [at marriage] it was hard to pin point the right one

Robert William Williams father was a John Williams, both were carpenters.

Bear with me as I'm at work and have to actually do some now and again, plus this pc throws me off this site for some reason

Bear with me as Im going to bed!

You should be able to find Robert on the 1841/51 now you have the parents John and Julia

I'll check in tomorrow

x

Night Ginny sleep tight

Think I have found the 1841/51 but will need to look at the original images later today

Ive sent a correction to Ancestry regarding Rebecca Baker on the 1871 census I posted

She is the head of a different family!

Just thought I would add this for your information, in case there is some family connection!

Isaac Williams 28 yrs also returned to England with them in 1867 on the 'Kent'

Joy

I found Robert WIlliam Williams on the 1841, his father, John is shown as a Carpenter so this fits, his mother is elsewhere

1841 RG number: HO107, piece 1083, book/folio 3/15, page 22
George St, Christ Church, Southwark Surrey
WILLIAMS, John M 40 1801 VIEW <<<<<<<<
WILLIAMS, James M 15 1826 Surrey VIEW
WILLIAMS, Robert M 13 1828 Surrey VIEW <<<<<<<<
WILLIAMS, George M 8 1833 Surrey VIEW
LEFORT, Edward M 40 1801 Surrey VIEW
LEFORT, Ann F 40 1801 VIEW
BAILEY, Emma F 25 1816 VIEW
BAILEY, Sarah F 5 1836 VIEW

1841 RG number: Ho107, Piece 489, folio 8/15, page 22
Address: Burling's Gardens, Greenwich Kent
ABRAHAM, Ann F 50 1791 Kent VIEW
NEWPORT, Mary F 30 1811 Kent VIEW
LESTER, Mary F 30 1811 Kent VIEW
WILLIAMS, Eliza F 15 1826 Kent VIEW
GREANE, Emelia F 70 1771 Scotland VIEW
HENRY, Sarah F 30 1811 Scotland VIEW
HENRY, Mary F 5 1836 Kent VIEW
WILLIAMS, Julia F 40 1801 Kent VIEW <<<<<<<<<<

I have Julia and John together on the '51 but Robert is not with them, there are a couple of possibles though

Thank you for your help