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Thank you very much Patchem.
I the only death of an Alfred Cottrell I have found so far is:
“Mar 1932 Cottrell Alfred 78 Portsmouth 2b 847,” no will found.
Thanks again.
Ann

Still at Castle Street with Dan
1911
REED, Daniel Boarder Single M 46 1865 Boatman Ryde I of W
COTTERELL, Emily Head Widow F 50 1861 Laundress Ryde I of W

RG number: RG14 Piece: 5723 Reference: RG14PN5723 RG78PN260 RD93 SD3 ED8 SN64
Registration District: Isle of Wight Sub District: Ryde Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Ryde
Address: 18 Castle St Ryde County: Hampshire

I had been meaning to do an address search as Emily was not coming up, or I was told my searching was taking too long and it timed me out, then my genes site went down, then I forgot - Sorry.

Please can some one look up Emily in 1911 census,
Entered as this ," Cotterell Emily 1861 Ryde I Of W Isle Of Wight "
I found her in the index,
Thank you,
Ann

you're very welcome!



sylvia

Thank you very much for all that Sylvia,
Ann

Name: George Henry Vanner
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Sep 1873
Baptism/Christening Place: Holy Trinity, Ryde, Hampshire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Emily Vanner
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C16663-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1470883
Reference Number:




sylvia

The only George Vanner that I can see on the 1871 Census is this one

1871 Census

George A Vanner Albert E, Mary A E abt 1869 Ryde, Hampshire, England, Son Ryde, Hampshire




sylvia

Thank you for that Silvia

Yes son born before her marriage,

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 1179 Folio:65 Page:28 19, Castle Street, Ryde County: Hampshire
COTRELL, Emily Wife Head Married F 27 1854 Chair Woman Ryde, Isle of Wight Hampshire
STANNER, * George H Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Ryde, Isle of Wight Hampshire
STEPHENS, Alexander Lodger Single M 18 1863 Cab Driver Ryde, Isle of Wight Hampshire
Should be Vanner

1871 CENSUS: RG10/1166. folio 71. page 45.Address: Clay-lane, Ryde, IW.
Alex STEPHENS. Head. Widr. 36. Postmaster. Ryde, IW.
Alex STEPHENS. Son. 8. Scholar. Ryde, IW.
John STEPHENS. Son. 6. Scholar. Ryde, IW.
Emma VANNER. Housekeeper. Unm.21. Housekeeper. Ryde, IW.********
Henry VANNER. Son. 2. Ryde, IW.********

Ann

from that familysearch site


Name: Emily Vanner
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Jul 1849
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Thomas, Ryde, Hampshire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Vanner
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Hannah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02208-6
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1470889
Reference Number:




sylvia

the url for the beta.familysearch site is

www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records




sylvia

Emily also seems to have been older than she said!!

1861 Census

Name: Emily Vanner
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Vanner
Mother's Name: Hannah Vanner
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight, Ryde

Civil parish: Newchurch
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde

Henry Vanner 49 b.ca 1812, Ryde, Labourer
Hannah Vanner 49
Abraham Vanner 26
Jane Vanner 20
Rose Vanner 16
Harry Vanner 14
Emily Vanner 12
Fanny Vanner 10
Georgine Vanner 6

Address:- 30 Newport Road



sylvia

and in 1901

1901 Census

Name: Alfred Cottrell
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas a Becket
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea

Alfred Cottrell 47 Married, Capt on Joint NY & Cos Steamers (??? names of steamers)

Address:- Red Lion Yard



sylvia

Now, this is that Alfred that you found on the 1881 census, living in Portsmouht, with father George, and brothers Henry and Joseph.


In 1891, this Alfred is living alone, shown as Head ......... but he also says he is married

1891 Census

Name: Alfred Cottrell
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Portsmouth
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth Town

Alfred Cottrell 37 Married, Master Mariner

Address:- 3 Red Lion Yard



It is of course, entirely possible that the marriage broke down! And that they lived apart




sylvia

Is that her on the 81 census with a 12 year old son George H. Stanner? Could he be George Henry Vanner born before marriage? This birth record has no other surname attached:

1868 VANNER
George Henry Ryde R30/E25

Thank you very much sylvia & Margee, yes that is the marriage

MARRIAGE by Banns 1876 St.Thomas Ryde
03 Dec 1876 COTTRELL Alfred 23 B Mariner, Ryde. VANNER Emily 23 S Ryde. COTTRELL George Mariner, VANNER Henry coach man.
Alfred signed Emily X, Wit Jas Wm Langdon, Edith Mumford

could be him, Alfred Cottrell Birth: Oct 1853 - Portsea Island, Hampshire

COTRELL, Emily Wife Head Married F 27 1854 Chair Woman Ryde, Isle of Wight Hampshire
STANNER, George H Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Ryde, Isle of Wight Hampshire
STEPHENS, AlexanderLodger Single M 18 1863 Cab Driver Ryde, Isle of Wight Hampshire

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 1179 Folio:65 Page:28
Registration District:I sle of Wight Sub District:Ryde Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish:Civil Parish:Ryde

Municipal Borough: Address: 19, Castle Street, Ryde County:Hampshire

I wonder what happened to Alfred? could that be him above in the 1881 census??
Sorry, yes that should have been 1853, hit wrong key.

Thank you,
Ann

According to the parish record shown on beta.familysearch

Alfred is older than you thought!


Groom's Name: Alfred Cottrell
Groom's Birth Date: 1853
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 23
Bride's Name: Emily Vanner
Bride's Birth Date: 1853
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 23
Marriage Date: 1876
Marriage Place: Ryde, Hampshire, England
Groom's Father's Name: George Cottrell
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Henry Vanner
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16666-2
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1470890
Reference Number: 2:3FD6848



sylvia

It is of course quite possible that Alfred was at sea on the ship on census night ...... and so would not have been counted.


It seems that ships in harbour filled out the census form, ships at sea did not ....... although that is not a hard and fast rule!



sylvia

Sorry,
1901 at, probably, 18 Castle Street.

Thank you very much Patchem,
That is interesting, a lodger was there 10 years & no husband! please can you tell me if she was still at 19, Castle Street.
Thank you ,
Ann

possible alternative spellings are

cottrill
cottrel
cottril
cotterell
cotterill

etc, etc


I have Cottrell in my family ........ but mine are all from the north of England, and have no connection with the south. So there is no connection between Ann and myself


Just that I've been through all the permutations needed to find them!



sylvia