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Very true what you say Helen. The other thing was that if a woman had been married and widowed, there didn't seem to be such a stigma if she had more children after husband's death.

would like to add my lot were strict irish catholics as well so how/why she had illegitimate kids goodness knows but his death cert gives the same address and her as informant so there is no denying it :-( only thing i can think of she was so poor without the husbands wage she turned to the easiest way to earn quick money :-((
hopefully the death cert will confirm things for you too xxxxx

Thank you for your help Helen, its good to get someone else's view on things, rather than letting my imagionation run wild! lol

Thanks for ALL your help!

if selina was unmarried at the time she would have registered the children as Halls xx
or in my case they are on the census' but were not registered. have you got birth refs for the inbetween children? best thing is to get the charles hall death cert suggested. have to laugh as my lot were also Halls and it was a charles that died lol not the same family though :-((

MarieCeleste! YES this is the family im after - thank you!

Ive been given some info from somebody searching for the 'HOWS' so i know all about Selina remarrying ect, i would just like to know what happend to Charles

I know that these children were Hall's, as when she remarried, she had children with a 'Matthews' & they have his names.

Yes, I think its about time to order some certificates - as yes, i am only going by indexs/census & information from others.

Thank you for everyones time & help ;-)

Think the 1881 does give some sort of confirmation:

HOW, James Head Married M 62 1819 General Lab Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire
HOW, Harriett Wife Married F 60 1821 Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire
HOW, Flora Grand Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire
MATTHEWS, Selina Daughter Married F 27 1854 Straw Plaiter Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire
MATTHEWS, Harry Son In Law Married M 24 1857 Bricklayers Lab Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire
HALL, Louisa Grand Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire
HALL, Emma Grand Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire
HALL, Matilda Grand Daughter Single F 2 1879 Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire
MATTHEWS, Annie Grand Daughter Single F 0 1881 Hemel Hempsted Hertfordshire

Registration District: Hemel Hempstead
Sub District: Hemel Hempstead
Civil Parish: Hemel Hempstead

Address: Popes Lane, Hemel Hempstead County: Hertfordshire

Natalie, Do you have the childrens birth certs?

or his widows 2nd marriage cert?

or are you going on what you found on the index and census?

Roy

Hi Natalie, it's quite possible she had the children with someone else (perhaps the man she later married) and they would have been registered as Hall as that was her name.

I think you really need to get a copy of that death certificate.

Sure, his widow was Selina How & they had 5 girls

Mary b.1872
Eliza b.1875
Emma b.1877
Louise b.1876
Matilda b.1879

Many thanks

Might be him in 1871?

HALL, William Head M 44 1827 Hertfordshire < Bricklayers Labourer
HALL, Elizabeth Wife F 44 1827 Hertfordshire
HALL, Charles Son M 19 1852 Hertfordshire < Paper Maker
HALL, William Son M 16 1855 Hertfordshire
HALL, Mary A Daughter F 9 1862 Hertfordshire

Registration District: Hemel Hampstead
Sub District: Hemel Hempstead
Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Hemel Hempstead

** All born Hemel Hempstead

Address: Queen Street, Hemel Hempstead County: Hertfordshire

Deaths Sep 1873 (>99%)
Hall Charles 22 Hemel Hempstead 3a 260 Scan available - click to view
could this be him???

Name: Charles Hall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1873
Age at Death: 22
Registration district: Hemel Hempstead
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 260


Roy

Any middle name ?

Have you got the 1880 marriage cert to confirm the right person

Checked later census in case the couple just split up

have you tried earlier than 1879?? i had a similar situation with my lot and the husband died before the youngest 2 children could have been born.......
good luck helenxx

Hi - who was his widow and children? The clearer picture we have helps us search.

Trying to find the death of Charles Hall b.1852 died around 1879 - Hemel Hempstead.

His last child was born 1879 & his widower re-married in 1880.
Ive tried Free bmd & ancestry - any ideas?

Thank you for reading
Natalie