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William

William Report 10 Sep 2011 14:07

I've hit a brick wall and I don't have the know-how/facilities to follow it through.
I'm looking for the mother/parents of Bessie Westlake b1900, Islington, possibly 1/6/1900 at Islington. 1901 census gives her as a 'visitor' aged 10months with the Edwards family (Chas Edwards 58 b Clerkenwell) at 42 Penton St, Clerkenwell.
The 1911 she is with grandparents George & Minnie Sadler at 15 Brunswick St Southwark. I've traced these two back to 1901 and they are given as Geo. Sadler wid 50, b Sudbury Suffolk & Minnie Bennett widow & cousin 59, b Hook Surrey.
I've been able to trace Geo back through each census but he appears to be single and lived at times with his cousin Geo. Albury in Southwark & go right back to 1841 & his grandfather in Sudbury. I can't seem to trace Minnie Bennett so I have no idea how Bessie Westlake fits into this situation, given that Geo Sadler doesn't seem to have had a daughter!
Any help would be most gratefully received.

William

William Report 10 Sep 2011 14:11

PLUS - I've found an entry via GR for births A/M/J quarter 1900 - Vol1a 557- Marylebone, London for a Bessie Westlake

William

William Report 10 Sep 2011 14:11

PLUS - I've found an entry via GR for births A/M/J quarter 1900 - Vol1a 557- Marylebone, London for a Bessie Westlake

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Sep 2011 14:18

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Name: Bessie Annie Westlake
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1900
Baptism Date: 7 Jun 1900
Mother's Name: Minnie Westlake
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mark, Marylebone Road
Borough: Westminster

No father shown

Gwyn

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Sep 2011 14:20

Bessie Westlake
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1901 —Queen Charlottes Hos, London
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Clerkenwell, London, Middlesex, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Clerkenwell, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Bessie Westlake
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 0
relationship to head of household: Visitor
birthplace: Queen Charlottes Hos, London
record type: Household
registration district: Holborn
sub-district: Amwell
ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
civil parish: Clerkenwell
county: London, Middlesex

Dea

Dea Report 10 Sep 2011 14:20

Let's start with this:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Bessie Annie Westlake Name: Bessie Annie Westlake
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1900
Baptism Date: 7 Jun 1900
Mother's Name: Minnie Westlake
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mark, Marylebone Road
Borough: Westminster

Dea x

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Sep 2011 14:26

This marriage is interesting.
One of the witnesses is a Minnie SADLER

Name: Minnie Cowley Westlake ....8 Edward Street.
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: John Henry Monkman ...labourer, ..51 Ponsonby Buildings
Spouse Age: 43
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1907
Parish: Christ Church
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Henry Westlake ....( dec'd) seaman
Spouse Father Name: Charles Fernley Monkman ...(dec'd)..compositer )


Other witness is (I think ) Henry BRUNTON

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Sep 2011 14:27

Bessie Westlake
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1901 —Queen Charlottes Hos, London
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Clerkenwell, London, Middlesex, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Clerkenwell, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Bessie Westlake
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 0
relationship to head of household: Visitor
birthplace: Queen Charlottes Hos, London
record type: Household
registration district: Holborn
sub-district: Amwell
ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
civil parish: Clerkenwell
county: London, Middlesex

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Sep 2011 14:37

Births Sep 1879

Westlake Minnie Cowley ...Holborn 1b 742

Name: Minnie Cowley Westlake ....born 8 August 1879
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 17 Oct 1879
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Westlake ...of 12 Compton Buildings
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington


No father recorded.

Gwyn

Joseph

Joseph Report 10 Sep 2011 14:42

In 1901 Census the Original shows

George born Sudbury DERBYSHIRE

Minnie AGED 47 Born Hook HAMPSHIRE

91, Ponsonby Buildings, Christchurch Southwark
SADLER, George Head Widower M 50 1851 Printer Compositor Sudbury Derbyshire
BENNETT, Minnie Cousin Widow F 47 1854 Cook (Domestic) Hook Hampshire

William

William Report 10 Sep 2011 14:42

Thanks everyone, seems there's a story here I guess. I've just got to link it back to how she is a granddaughter to the 1911 situation. My GR is on a go-slow today so I'm having a job to check things out.
I'm very grateful for all your efforts.

William

William Report 10 Sep 2011 14:42

Thanks everyone, seems there's a story here I guess. I've just got to link it back to how she is a granddaughter to the 1911 situation. My GR is on a go-slow today so I'm having a job to check things out.
I'm very grateful for all your efforts.

William

William Report 10 Sep 2011 14:50

Yes, Joseph, I saw the 1901 where it says Derbyshire, but I've traced all his family back to Suffolk Sudbury so it would appear to be a mistake on someones part. Thanks for your diligence anyway.

Dea

Dea Report 10 Sep 2011 14:51

Not sure it helps any, but following on from Gwyn's above post ??


MONKMAN, John Henry Head Married M 45 1866 Goods Porter Yorkshire Hull VIEW
MONKMAN, Minnie Cowley Wife Married 3 years F 32 1879 Charwoman London Clerkenwell VIEW
EVANS, William Arthur Stepson Single M 9 1902 London Southwark VIEW
MONKMAN, Constance Maud Daughter Single F 6 1905 London Southwark VIEW
MONKMAN, Winnifred Daughter Single F 1 1910 London Southwark VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1752 Reference:
RG14PN1752 RG78PN61 RD23 SD1 ED3 SN195

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
Christchurch and St Saviour Southwark Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
St Saviour Southwark

Address:
15 Burghley Buildings Canvey Street Southwark S E County:
London


Dea x

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Sep 2011 14:55

Maybe linked...?

Births Dec 1913
Monkman Henry F ...Westlake ...Southwark 1d 24

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Births Sep 1918
Monkman Frank ...Westlake ...Lambeth 1d 325


Gwyn

William

William Report 10 Sep 2011 17:38

Thanks everyone for your help. I've still got a few questions left to be answered but with all your help I think I'll be able to track it all down eventually.
All grateful for any help, and not ashamed to say so.

William

William Report 10 Sep 2011 17:38

Thanks everyone for your help. I've still got a few questions left to be answered but with all your help I think I'll be able to track it all down eventually.
All grateful for any help, and not ashamed to say so.