Find Ancestors

not sure where to start to look for ancestors of my husband , his mum and dads names are john appleby and diane beelam or belam not sure of the spelling they were married in edinburgh dont know dates and stuff but would appreciate any help from anyone , the grandfathers name on the dad side was john appleby and mary stewart and on the mums side it was thomas and elizabeth beelam would love to find out dates of births and stuff like that both families as far as i am aware originated from edinburgh .

Where they born in scotland if so you need scottishpeople to trace them
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

You will need credits for Scotlandspeople website. You should find their marriage and births on there.

Kath. x

Anne-Marie,

Welcome to the boards.

You actually do have more information than you think you have and every little clue will help us.

e.g. - look at when your husband and his siblings were born - we then have an approximate year where we could look for a marriage for his parents a few years either way.

You probably have a clue as to what sort of age his parents were at that time, whether they were both of a similar age or whether perhaps his father was much older than his mother.

You may have an idea as to when these people died and their approximate age?

Did you husband know of any of his parents siblings i.e. any aunties or uncles?

ALL these little things would help us to help you.

Also - if ALL of these events happened in Scotland it would be wise to edit the title of your thread to include the word 'Scotland' as this is a more specialised area of research.

There is a site called scotlandspeople which gives info on BMD's for this part of the Country.

Let us know everything you have please.

Dea x

yeah i have made a family tree on here with all the info i already have . but trying to find information that goes back further is quite difficult , my husband thinks his dad was born in 35 to 40 his mum was in 1942 . i have listed siblings and stuff but again have not much information with regards to year they were born . i went on the scottish people thing but it totally baffled me can i not allow access to my tree to anyone that can help me out or juts wants to have a nose haha .

As far as I know the ScotlandsPeople website is the only place online where you will find births and marriages from Scotland, so you will have to try again.

Kath. x

This is one of the grandparents marriages. As you can see, you need to order the certificate to find out their parents' names and get further back.

No Year Surname
(M) Forename
(M) Surname
(F) Forename
(F) District City/
County/
MR GROS
Data
1 1939 APPLEBY JOHN PETER STEWART MARY BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/08 1026

Can't find a marriage for the other grandparents in Scotland but there is this one in England??

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Thomas A G Belam
Name: Thomas A G Belam
Spouse Surname: Craig
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1923
Registration district: Farnham
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 339
Find Spouse: Elizabeth F Craig

i wish i had checked this earlier , i have been on that scotlands people website all night and writing down all the information and just found the wedding of his grandparents but you found it at nine oclock and its now half past twelve grr , but thank you so much . and i think that you have found the grandparents on his mums side brilliant i hadnt even started them yet , how would you go about finding siblings and things like that is that possible ?? i am hopefully gonna be able to go to the regisrars to have a look at birth and marriage certificates but was gonna buy them off the website but all the ones i would need will cost be a small fortune . thank you so much for all your help .

Parents wedding date sent by message.

Catherine

Births Dec 1900
Belam Thomas Alfred G Farnham 2a 112

I cannot find any Belam/Craig births so Elizabeth may have been married before and Craig is not her maiden name.

Ozi

1901 England Census
Name: Thomas A Belam
Age: 6 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Belam
Mother's Name: Lilian G Belam
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldershot
Civil parish: Aldershot
Ecclesiastical parish: Aldershot St Michael
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Pembury Tce

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Aldershot
Piece: 611
Folio: 101
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Belam 29 - General Labourer; born Bermondsey, London
Lilian G Belam 24 - born Warwick
Maude A E Belam 2
Thomas A Belam 6 Months
Alfred Brown 49 - father-in-law; General Labourer
Robert Butcher 26 - boarder


Deaths Mar 1948
Belam Lilian G 71 Aldershot 6b 4

1891 England Census
Name: Alfred Brown
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Windsor, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Aldershot
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Wolseley St

Occupation: Bricklayers labourer

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
Piece: 563
Folio: 99
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Brown 37
Elizabeth Brown 36 - born Erdington, Warwickshire
Lilly G Brown 14 - born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Ada E Brown 12 - born Aldershot
James West 30 - Lodger
Alfred C Spiers 21 - Lodger

This is the family in 1911 but no children at home:

1911

BELAM, Thomas Head Married 13 years M 39 1872 General Labourer Bermondsey
BELAM, Lilian Wife Married F 34 1877 Birmingham


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Registration District:
Farnham Sub District:
Aldershot Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Aldershot

Address:
12 Pembury Place Newport Road Aldershot County:
Surrey

The children - Maude (12), Nellie(10) and Albert E (2 years 5 months) were all in the Isolation Hospital at Cemetery Rd. Aldershot under the name of BelaN !

I can't see Thomas anywhere.

Dea x

thats nuts you have managed to go back to the great grandparents i am sitting here tryin to work out who is parents sisters grandparents and everything else .thanks for all this help anne marie

how do you know they are the children of , Dea , the ones who are in the isolation hospital , why would you be in a place like that ??

A couple of points to help you anne-marie

You cannot look at birth, marriage and death registers for England and Wales; you can only look at the index and the best place to do that is on the freebmd website:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

The only place anyone should buy certificates from is the GRO:

www.gro.gov.uk/

You can order them online and if you have the index ref, they cost no more than £9.25. The index ref is the Vol and page nos as Ozibird has given you for the of Lilian.

Scottish register entries can be looked at on-line on scotlandspeople (except for I think the last 100 yrs) and you can download them to your computer and print them. They give more info than English ones.

Re the children in the isolation hospital, they probably had one of the infectious diseases that were around them, eg Scarlet Fever.

Sorry anne-marie - had to 'do lunch' !

The 3 children in the Isolation hospital were actually listed on the 1911 image along with Thomas, though all were crossed out and a note added to say that they were absent from home on the night of the census!

I cannot find Thomas on 1911 - you may want to look at the scottish 1911 on scotlandspeople to see if perhaps he was sent to stay with relatives up there ???

Dea Xxx

hope your lunch was nice . i have looked at the 1911 on scotlands people there are no belams at all and the only mention of the children is on your one , did they maybe pass away ? i am totally addicted to this now its not even funny . everyones help has been phenomenal thank you so much . am definately gonna keep looking for any other info about the rest of the family that i can . my husband said that he thinks his grandmother mary stewart was of the travelling community so is there any sort of way of finding out who her parents were ?

Anne-marie,

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

This is so easy to use in comparison with many of the English sites where you are seeking volume and page references with no way of finding out if they are the proper details you are looking for until you send fot the certificate.

Click on Marriages and enter APPLEBY & BELAM ......only one match.

No Year Surname (M) Forename (M) Surname (F) Forename (F) District City/ County/ MR GROS Data

1 1959 APPLEBY JOHN BELAM DIANE ELIZABETH HAYMARKET EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 1197


If you find more than one match then by altering the details like names, dates, cities, counties, you can soon reduce these.

The above certificate, should you require it, is not available to view online being less than 75 years old so you will have to order it at a cost of £12.00.

Births 100 years.
Marrriages 75 years.
Deaths 50 years.

Online viewing of certificates when available costs about £1.20.

Signing off, it's been a blast........ bye all. :-D