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Hi i wonder if anyone can help me I am searching for henry Westwell he was born according to family in Morda wales i think abt 1845 1850 He married a mary Elizabeth mack b 1851 Rawtenstall lancs cant find his birth her birth or marriage tried everything I know They had a daughter mary elizabeth b 1880 in clayton le moors lancs . I have her and widowd mother on the 1881 1891 and 1901 censuses so he must have died I presume just before she was born . Any help would be much appreciated

Have you got the birth certificate for the 1880 birth?
Thanks

No I havent as I cant find that either online I have throught the family got the date of 9.9 1878 clayton le moors but where that came from I dont know I have looked and tried the lancashire parish records bu tto no avail

Why do you think the two got married?

On t6he 1881 census Mary mack is down as mary elizabeth westwell b rawtenstall

Is this correct 1881

1881 England Census
about Mary Westwell Name: Mary Westwell
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary E. Westwell
Gender: Female
Where born: Clayton Le Moors, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Clayton Le Moors
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 34 Barnes St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Harwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4176
Folio: 113
Page Number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Mary E. Westwell 38
Mary Westwell 1
Elizabeth Marsh 19


Andy

For reference, 1881, could she have been married before meeting Henry?
1881 England Census
Mary E. Westwell
Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Clayton Le Moors, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Clayton Le Moors County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 34 Barnes St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
Registration district: Blackburn Sub-registration district: Harwood ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 4176 Folio: 113 Page Number: 50

Mary E. Westwell 38
Mary Westwell 1
Elizabeth Marsh 19 boarder

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4176; Folio: 113; Page: 50; GSU roll: 1342001.

How do you know she is Mary Mack?

Added: She is 28 not 38.

Just beacuase she has a young child doesn't mean her late husband was the father......


Andy

That is the correct census I was given her name as mary Mack by my mother in law

Have you got this marriage certificate?
Marriages Jun 1882
FISH Elizabeth Blackburn 8e 666
xxx Rostron Thurston Blackburn 8e 666
Sanderson William Blackburn 8e 666
xxx WESTALL Mary Elizabeth Blackburn 8e 666

No I havent that is my job tomorrow I was told this was her 2nd marriage after henry and have them on the censuses

don't think there's a place called Morda in Wales - there is however Morfa in North Wales

Have you got Mary (born 1880)'s wedding certificate for her Father's name - I am assuming she married?

I think the 1882 marriage cert is the way forward. It should confirm her maiden and any former names

Andy

As there is a Henry Westwell born in Blackburn in 1843, is it just a story connecting him to Wales?

Hi Everyone I have just been talking to my husband and have actually been discussing the one b in Blackburn But he says definiely wales so what i am going to do is send for the daughters wedding cert and the mothers as well . Thanks for all your help much appreciated

Oh and there is a morda in wales itis on the outskirts of Oswestry Shropshire

I think that Shropshire is England, but perhaps Morda is right by the border (it does appear to be surrounded by Welsh names on google maps)?
Good luck with the certificates, we await further information.

thank you for that I have sent away for the certs today susan

Hi just to update evryone who helped me I bought the marriage cert of Mary elizabeth westwell and Thurston rostron they were m 20.5.1882 in Clayton she is down as 32 a widow her father was joseph cunliffe . i have since found them on the census I also sent for the wedding cert of her daughter Mary elizabeth westwell to Richard newton Phillips she is 26 a spinster father henry westwell deceased so henry and elizabeth were married witnesses at this marriage were william arthur Phillips who was richards brother Elizabeth Ellen Cunliffe and harry rostron so everything fits . I just still cant find anything on Henry westwell .