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Married to a George Dickinson, left this country around 1914 by boat to Canada, trying to find relations in this country

Do you have a location and also when they where married. Dates of birth would be good too

There is not an obvious marriage showing on free bmd.
Where did you get your information from?
Thank-you

I do wish members would read the

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Roy

I'm not certain where "this country" is-but I'll try to help.

Maureen

just because I love guessing games ..................

I don't suppose she was Theresa Dickinson who married George -Bradley- ?

Marriages Sep 1907
BRADLEY George Chorlton 8c 1687
DICKINSON Theresa Backhouse Chorlton 8c 1687

there are Bradley-Dickinson births in Chorlton in 1911 and 1913 ... the births after that in Sheffield belong to a different marriage

oh ... but the two children Nora and Joseph died ...

Nora born 1911 died 1911
Joseph born 1914 died 1914

this is that couple in 1911

BRADLEY THERESA 1889 22 Chorlton Lancashire
BRADLEY GEORGE 1880 31
BRADLEY ROBERT WILLIAM 1910 10 MONTHS

... although ... that Robert seems like the only Robert William Bradley born June 1910 who died in 1972 in Chatham Kent ...



yes .............. ?

BRADLEY Theresa 1886 1914 Liverpool Canada Halifax

but there seem to have been no other Bradleys travelling with that Theresa

A number of George Bradleys about the right age ( or possibly the same one or same ones ) did travel from Liverpool to Canada in 1912, 1913 and 1914


this could be that Theresa's birth

[ deleted wrong birth see later ]

and this would be that Theresa in the 1891 census where an Ancestry user has corrected the name

[ deleted wrong family see later ]



so now if we can just be told what 'this country' is ( and whether the 'this country' she left is the same 'this country' where you want to find relatives )

and what these people's names actually are ... and what you already know about their families ...

we will all be ready to start over at the beginning :-)

Jackie, come back to the thread ! I got your private message but you need to put the info here so everyone can see it as someone else may be able to help

I'm going to put your message here so we can have a look


Thankyou SO much...you are absolutely spot on. It is quite a complicated story, and it has given me lots of headaches.
Theresa left three children behind after her daughter was either still born or died in early infancy....she did go to Canada, and I don't how you found the passage so quickly.
The detailsof the people in the UK (this country!) are of great help to me.
I know Theresa married in Toronto to a William L '.....can't make out the surname he originated from MA...but they did live in Canada.....
was trying to find relatives over there as well, but I know the canadian records are hard to uncover.
Thankyou again.


so there is the question, whom did she marry ... I do not subscribe for Canadian records but on a free search I had found a marriage in York County Ontario for a Theresa Bradley to a Michael Hughes in 1926 as far as I can narrow it down I think ... there is something odd about the record though because I can not get the search to reproduce if I search for the two people the other way around

did she maybe marry as Dickinson though ?


now perhaps someone who does have access to the Canadian marriage records ( which only go to 1928 ) can check out the one you mentioned ... I can't find one that looks like that

can you give what Theresa's name was on the record and when and where the marriage was ?


... I found it,

Theressa Dickinson to William Leclair in York County

have you checked it and the details are correct, parents' names etc ... ?

if you can put them here that will help

That 1926 marriage? EDIT: Which we now can probably rule out.

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1928

Name: Michael Hughes
Birth Place: Ulster Ireland; Keady; Armagh
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Father Name: Michael Hughes < Bachelor
Mother Name: Mary Hanratty
Spouse Name: Theresa Bradley < Spinster
Spouse's Age: 24
Spouse Birth Place: Scotland
Spouse Father Name: John Bradley
Spouse Mother Name: Mary Ann McColgan
Marriage Date: 16 Sep 1926
Marriage County: York
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS932_749

Was this her going there?


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Theresa Bradley
Name: Theresa Bradley
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Date of Arrival: 17 Apr 1914
Vessel: Alsatian
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4753

This one has a big scribble where the marital status should be M for Married or S for Single. It's been one, then changed to the other but can't say which. She was a domestic and her onward destination was Montreal.

????

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1928

Name: Theressa Dickinson < stated as spinster
Birth Place: Manchester England
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Father Name: William Dickinson
Mother Name: Clara Backhouse
Spouse Name: William Henry Leclair < Veterinary doctor (Soldier .......)
Spouse's Age: 31
Spouse Birth Place: Spencer Mass USA
Spouse Father Name: Napoleon Leclair
Spouse Mother Name: Marian Hickey
Marriage Date: 22 Dec 1914
Marriage Location: York
Marriage County: York
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS932_301

Witnesses were Fred & Edith Evans.

There's a lot of writing on this form and can't make much of it out.

What was "our" Theresa's mother's maiden name?

Full 1911 for our ref:

BRADLEY, George Head Married M 31 1880 Coal Carter Manchester Lancs
BRADLEY, Theresa Wife Married 3 years F 22 1889 Manchester Lancs
BRADLEY, Robert William Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Manchester Lancs

Registration District: Chorlton
Sub District: Didsbury
Enumeration District: 3
Parish: South Manchester

Address: 6 Ventnor Road Didsbury Manchester County: Lancashire

** The original says 2 children born, both still living?

1901 - parents names match the Toronto marriage:

DICKINSON, William Head Married M 38 1863 Police Sergeant Garforth Yorkshire
DICKINSON, Clara Wife Married F 35 1866 Dodworth Yorkshire
DICKINSON, Bamfylde A Son M 15 1886 Book Binder's Apprentice Manchester Lancashire
DICKINSON, Garforth B Son M 13 1888 Garforth Yorkshire
DICKINSON, Theresa B Daughter F 12 1889 Manchester Lancashire
DICKINSON, Clara E Daughter F 9 1892 Manchester Lancashire
DICKINSON, Enid S Daughter F 6 1895 Manchester Lancashire

Registration District: Chorlton
Sub District: Chorlton upon Medlock
Enumeration District: 44
Ecclesiastical Parish: Greenheys St Clements
Civil Parish: South Manchester

Address: 2, Linwood Street, South Manchester County: Lancashire

** There's some unusual names in there, so Jackie could follow those through to trace relatives.

To everyone who has helped with this a tremendous thankyou, I have a lot to filter through so it may be a while before I am back asking for help. I will take a look at all....you are quite amazing, don't know how you manage to get info so quickly....thanks again.

Father William in 1911 - what happened to Clara?

DICKINSON, William Head Married M 48 1863 Coal Dealer And Police Pensioner Yorkshire Garforth
DICKINSON, Emily Jane Wife Married 2 years F 50 1861 Lancashire Manchester
DICKINSON, Bamfylde Arthur Son Single M 25 1886 Coal Carrier Lancashire Manchester
DICKINSON, Clara Elizabeth Daughter Single F 19 1892 Household Duties Lancashire Manchester
DICKINSON, Enid Stacy Daughter Single F 16 1895 Apprentice Dressmaker Lancashire Manchester
DICKINSON, Jack Harhacre Son M 7 1904 Lancashire Manchester

Registration District: Chorlton
Sub District: Didsbury
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: South Manchester

Address: 32 Church Street Didsbury County: Lancashire

I'll delete the household in England since I had the wrong parents :-)

the Leclair marriage is the right person since Teresa had middle name Backhouse when she married

Births Mar 1889
Dickinson Theresa Backhouse Prestwich 8d 410

yes that 1911 census for the couple is the one I posted and then the births of the other children ... I wonder whether the Robert W Bradley death I posted is the right one for the child, it looks like it has to be ...

Some vitals:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1883
>>Backhouse Clara Tadcaster 9c 1202
Backhouse John William Tadcaster 9c 1202
>>DICKINSON William Tadcaster 9c 1202
Routledge Catherine Smith Tadcaster 9c 1202
(Wonder if that was her brother?)

Deaths Jun 1906
DICKINSON Clara 40 Chorlton 8c 499

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1908
??Dickinson William Chorlton 8c 1790
??Hodges Emily Jane Chorlton 8c 1790
Mould Charles Chorlton 8c 1790
ROBERTS Clara Barrow F. 8c 1790
ROUGHSEDGE Beatrice Emily Chorlton 8c 1790

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

Soldiers of the First World War - CEF

Name: LECLAIR, WILLIAM HENRY
Regimental number(s): 109443
Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 5510 - 35
Date of Birth: 30/07/1883
Attestation paper: Front of form - Back of form

the attestation paper is here

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc009/453736a.gif

next of kin is sister Nora Leclair Lewis in Massachusetts
date of birth 30 July 1883
born in Spencer Worcester Massachusetts
for 'are you married' it says 'no' then that is scratched out and it says 'yes'
I can't understand his occupation, it looks like 'Givone'

so it all matches the marriage record

he enrolled at Toronto on 27th Nov 1914

many men went to Canada from the USA to enrol in the Canadian Expeditionary Force for WWI before the USA entered the war



Jackie I think I understand that you or someone close is descended from one of Theresa's children born in England and you are looking for her family in Canada ? and maybe family of her siblings in England ?

if you clarify that a bit we know what else to look for :-)

there are many pelple named Leclair and Le Clair in Worcester county Massachusetts in the 1910 US census whose birthplace is given as 'Canada French' and I expect that this was the case for William

MarieCeleste can you spot one who looks like him in the USA censuses ? :-) there is no 1890 census for Massachusetts ...

my goodness, I just googled the name 'William Henry Leclair' ... !

http://38thbattalion.blogspot.com/2010/05/private-william-henry-leclair.html


Soldiers of the 38th

An attempt at an ongoing mass biography of the officers and men of the 38th Battalion, Canadian Expeditionary Force, during the First World War

Private William Henry LeClair
Born on 30 July 1883 in Worcester, Massachusetts - brother of Mrs. Nora Lewis, Brighton, Massachusetts - at the time of his enlistment in 1914: trade as groom; married; no current or previous military service; Roman Catholic; height of 5 feet 5 inches; chest of 38 inches fully expanded; medium complexion; grey eyes; dark hair.

Joined the 4th Regiment, Canadian Mounted Rifles, CEF, in Toronto, Ontario, on 27 November 1914 (number 109443) - taken on the strength of the Fort Garry Horse, CEF, on 21 or 22 May 1916 - released on 21 August 1916 - transferred to the 38th Battalion, CEF, on 14 July 1917 - struck off the strength of the 38th Battalion on 18 July 1917 - later reported sick.

(sources: Library and Archives Canada (www.collectionscanada.gc.ca), online attestation papers; Canadian War Museum, 19740281-001, Manu 58F 2 3, 207th Canadian Infantry Battalion and 38th Canadian Infantry Battalion, Nominal Roll; The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa Regimental Museum, A400-0007, Master Personnel List for the 38th Canadian Infantry Battalion, Canadian Expeditionary Force)


not much more than is on the attestation papers ...



and Jackie .............

you have all this information already

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,502656.0.html

the marriage is there, the attestation papers are there, the information about her son George dying in Vancouver in 1985 is there ... the website I just 'found' above in this post is there ...


I guess we should all have waited until you provided it ... which you never did do ... before wasting our time like this, really ...

I don't know what you were hoping for in this thread since noting new has been found that you did not already have

Well, I guess I didn't have anything better to do anyways. :-(