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mgnv
Thank you for that information.

I'm not sure, but think this might not be a RC marriage.
( I know Henry's daughter was not RC )... so will pass your information to OH to follow up.

Many thanks.

Gwyn

1845-1863 there was only civil registration for non-catholic marrs. If this were the case, I`ld guess that the church regos matched those sent to the GRO(I). However, I`ld guess this was an RC marr, so what was in the OPR is pretty much up to the priest. I`ve never seen Irish RC OPRs, but they can be quite detailed in some jurisdictions.

Thank you Maureen :-)

Gwyn

Gwyn,

Just replying to nudge this up for you.

Maureen

Re. Choccy's find of the 1863 marriage in Cork......

.....Would the actual parish register have more details about William ROONEY, father of the groom and if so how do I obtain a copy, ...or do I need a registered certificate.?

Gwyn

mgnv

Some great leads to more help and information there.

Many thanks for your help.

Gwyn

The GRO(I) index thru 1958 (excl N. Ireland post-partition) is available at:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
[Not heard of any release dates for next census (=1926 in both Irelands)]

Most City of Dublin parish registers are free online at:
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
[There are also Carlow, Cork & Kerry OPRs there too]

The above FS link will lead to Choccy's baptisms too. For US census, use
https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=NORTH_AMERICA

The record's linked to the image in US 1900.
The 1890 was 99.9% destroyed by fire, and there's not enough source info to find the 1910 without going real geeky.
For 1920 (sim 1930) look up at:
http://www.archive.org/details/1920_census
The last 3 digits of the LDS film # match those of the NARA reel #.
Guess an image # (it's 900 in 1910) - look up a name on that image and adjust your guess.

Here's the geek-free 1910
http://www.archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po587unit#page/n900/mode/1up
Note both families are at 28, Upham St, Salem.

Choccy and Maureen,

Thank you so much for this extra information.
I have left my husband to delve into this Irish side and now the information is coming so fast.
This week he has found another ROONEY descendant in Australia and has been able to put 2 cousins in their 90s in touch with each other, after a lifetime of not knowing of the other's existance,, so e mails between them are going back and forth thick and fast.

What a week.
Many, many thanks.

Gwyn

Hi Gwyn,

Sorry-breakfast dishes were calling me!

I was a little worried about Henrietta's age on the various US census,but I think she was just chopping off years to appear as young as her husband!!!

Sadly,it looks as though Henry James has died by 1920.
1920 United States Federal Census about May Rooney
Name: May Rooney
[Mary Rooney]
Home in 1920: Salem Ward 6, Essex, Massachusetts
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Race: White
Sex: Female
Home owned: Rent
Year of immigration: 1906
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
May Rooney 38
Helen Rooney 12
Dorothy Rooney 10
Eileen Rooney 7
Kathleen Rooney 5
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Salem Ward 6, Essex, Massachusetts; Roll: T625_697; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 278; Image: 404.

Good luck!

Maureen

Henry Rooney
Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898

marriage: 07 Apr 1863 —St. Mary Shandon, Cork, Ireland
parents: William Rooney
spouse: Sarah Lendrum

record title: Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898
groom's name: Henry Rooney
bride's name: Sarah Lendrum
marriage date: 07 Apr 1863
marriage place: St. Mary Shandon, Cork, Ireland
groom's father's name: William Rooney
bride's father's name: James Lendrum
groom's marital status: Single
bride's marital status: Single
indexing project (batch) number: M70228-4
system origin: Ireland-EASy
source film number: 101445



Tomisina Rooney
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

birth: 16 Apr 1868 —Cork, Ireland
residence: 1868 —Cork, Ireland
parents: Henry Rooney, Sarah Jane Lendrum

record title: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
name: Tomisina Rooney
gender: Female
birth date: 16 Apr 1868
birthplace: Cork, Ireland
father's name: Henry Rooney
mother's name: Sarah Jane Lendrum
indexing project (batch) number: C01186-4
system origin: Ireland-ODM
source film number: 101169




Henrietta Rooney
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

birth: 12 Jan 1870 —CORK, IRELAND
residence: 1870 —Ireland
parents: Henry Rooney, Sarah Jane Lendrum

record title: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
name: Henrietta Rooney
gender: Female
birth date: 12 Jan 1870
birthplace: CORK, IRELAND
father's name: Henry Rooney
mother's name: Sarah Jane Lendrum
indexing project (batch) number: C01211-0
system origin: Ireland-EASy
source film number: 101204

Margee...... So sorry.
It was YOUR find of the census..... It's getting too exciting here after a very long lull with this family.

Very many thanks for that great lead. OH is following it up right now.

Gwyn

Maureen
Yes, yes ! .... I have just come back upstairs after telling OH of your previous find...and now there's more.
This is absolutely great. Husband is delighted, thank you.

I only had a quick look at the marriage outline and didn't notice the bride's mother's details.
She was indeed Sarah Jane, so that all looks really good.

We don't have any further information on Henry James, so it looks very much as if you found him too.

Many thanks.

Gwyn

Hmmm...on the 1910 census there's a Henry J Rooney age 36 listed right before the Henshaws,so maybe not the right Henrietta then.??

Maureen

Edit: Or maybe it is-going by the Old Family search she does seem to have a brother Henry James!!!

Possible?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Henrietta Henshaw Name: Henrietta Henshaw
Home in 1920: Salem Ward 6, Essex, Massachusetts
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: John B Henshaw
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of immigration: 1886
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John B Henshaw 45
Henrietta Henshaw 46
Lloyd Henshaw 10

Maureen
Thank you... That looks a really good lead, as Henrietta's father was Henry !

I will pass the information on to my husband, who has been burning the midnight oil this last week tracking this family after he got a small lead and one thing led to another.

Gwyn

????

Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915
name: John B. Henshaw
titles & terms:
event: Marriage
event date: 11 Jun 1902
event place: Salem, Massachusetts
gender: Male
age: 28
marital status:
race:
birth date:
birthplace: Nova Scotia
marriage registration year:
marriage registration place:
estimated birth year: 1874
father: John E. Henshaw
father's titles & terms:
mother: Jemima Caute
mother's titles & terms:
spouse: Henrietta R. Rooney
spouse's titles & terms:
spouse's race:
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father: Henry Rooney
spouse's father's titles & terms:
spouse's mother: Sarah J. Maude
spouse's mother's titles & terms:
record number: 375
film number: 2057535
digital folder number: 4332427
image number: 00721
number of images:


Maureen
(from the new Family Search)

Thank you.

pm sent.

Gwyn

do you want to let me have your e-mail address, and I can send the images to you

Choccy
Thank you indeed.
That looks very promising and could quite possibly be the missing sisters.

Would it be possible to see the 2 images of the manifest please?

Gwyn

??

Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943

Name: Henrietta Rooney
Arrival Date: 4 Oct 1896
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name: Lemia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence: Ireland



Source Citation: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, D.C.; Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at Boston, Massachusetts, 1917-1943; Microfilm Serial: T938; Microfilm Roll: 22.