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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1851
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LAW Robert D HALL Agnes H Manchester, St. John Manchester STJ/10/193

Mary Dalton's marriage age on the bond would fit with 1841 & 1851 and if John should have been down as 31 not 21.....

did you mean to put an address in your post Meg?

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Their chief man is very good, and answers queries without any charge.

"Cathedral" was a district that covered not only the cathedral itself, but many satellite churches. But the records should all be at the cathedral itself.

Good Luck

Meg

????? Though the age is wrong for John.
England, Cheshire, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1606-1900
name: John Law
event: Intended marriage
event date: 03 May 1815
event place: Cheshire, England
gender: Male
age: 21
spouse: Mary Dalton
spouse's age: 21

Hello again, one and all.

I'll just unravel this a little bit from what we DEFINITELY know.

John Henry Law is the elder brother of Arthur Law. This is absolutely concrete family knowledge and also verified by census entries, marriages, etc., etc.

John Henry Law was an Attorney, Arthur was a 'Gentleman of Means'.

There was a BIG gap between John Henry and his younger brother's birth and I think it very probable that they shared the same father but different mothers.

One of Arthur's daughters was Mary Pauline DALTON Law, which is where the significance of the Dalton fits in.

I'm afraid that I'm still snowed under with relatives and just haven't got the spare brain capacity to sit down in a darkened room and sort out any more at the moment. It does look as if the Elizabeth whose death is on this thread is indeed John Henry Law's mama.

Will return when the dust settles!

Many, many thanks.

probable burial of John's 1st wife

Burial: 15 Feb 1814 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Law - Wife of John Law
Age: 33 yrs
Abode: Cheetham
Buried by: J. Brookes
Register: Burials 1814 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 6, Entry 203
Source: FHL1545577

I'm getting confused too.

Robert is probably Arthur's brother

John Law (father of John Henry born 1 Dec 1811) married an Elizabeth (possibly Wentworth) and then a Mary (not sure where the Cumberlidge you have came from)

John Henry seems to have had another brother William David born Dec 18th 1813 but baptised with Jane (born May 12th 1817) at St Ann's on 8 Aug 1817 - both say father John 'attorney at law' but Will is son of John & Elizabeth & Jane daughter of John & Mary

Baptism: 8 Aug 1817 St Ann, Manchester, Lancashire, England
William David Law - Son of John Law & Elizabeth
Born: 14 Dec 1813
Abode: Cheetwood
Occupation: Attorney At Law
Baptised by: M. Randall
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1849, Page 63, Entry 498
Source: LDS Film 919408

Baptism: 8 Aug 1817 St Ann, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jane Law - Daughter of John Law & Mary
Born: 12 May 1817
Abode: Cheetwood
Occupation: Attorney At Law
Baptised by: M. Randall
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1849, Page 63, Entry 499
Source: LDS Film 919408

1841 Cheetham D 15 > 10
Wilton Polygon
John law 55 attourney
Mary 45
Eliza 35
Jane 20
Fanny 20
Henry 20
Robert 15
Arthur 10.

Maryb.

Nicola, I think Mary is referring to Robert in 1841 census. This may be him in 1851.

1851 England Census
Name: Robert D Law
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Son In Law
Spouse's Name: Agnes H Law
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Gay St

Occupation: Attorney

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
Piece: 2221
Folio: 371
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Hall 56 - husband from home
Agnes H Law 21
Robert D Law 26

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Marriages Mar 1851
Burns Richard Manchester 20 589
Coope SARAH ANN MANCHESTER 20 589
Fletcher William Manchester 20 589
Hall Agnes Hopper Manchester 20 589 <<<<<<<<<<<
Hitchin Christianna Manchester 20 589
Law Robert Dalton Manchester 20 589 <<<<<<<<<<<
Phyzackerley Ann Manchester 20 589

I'm so grateful to all of you for your continued help on this one.

Mary, I'm afraid I don't know what you are referring to. Are you using FamilySearch?? Who is the 'Robert' you have mentioned, please? And 'Dalton' is a VERY significant family name so I think this must be them.

Please let me know. I may not be back to this again tonight as we have guests, but will take a peek tomorrow.

Thank you all.

Could this be the one ??John law christened 2/6/1782 by David and Mary nee Cumberlidge who were married 21/8/1777.

In 1841 John Law was a attorney.
Robert had the middle name of Dalton,on the same page as John law in 1841 there is a Ann Dalton.
John Henry 1812 was a attorney and solicitor in 1851 he had 5 servant and in 1861 six servants.

Maryb.

From LanAnn's Urls, you'll see that in England, they started using preprinted BMD registers abt 1810-12. Like others have said, finding the mum's MS is rare (except in the North East). From Jane's and the preceding william's baptism, with dob=12/5/1817 & 14/10/1813 does pin down when he wed Mary somewhat.

Also via the URLs, you'll see there FS has a collection
England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910
but, in spite of the title, it's really Greater Manchester. This hasn't been fully indexed yet, but can be accessed via:

https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

You can browse both the indexed and unindexed images.

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html is also useful.

the link to John Henry's baptism but unfortunately no occ recorded

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12695-78316-9%3Fcc%3D1788853%26wc%3D10932812

out of curiosity what was John's occupation?

on family search there are 2 baptism's record for a Jane - both on 8th Aug 1917 & birth date 12 May. One is at Manchester Copllegiate church (cathedral) and one at St Anne's.
This is the link to the register at St Ann's

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12590-9565-95%3Fcc%3D1788853%26wc%3D10932808

And then there is this????

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Elisabeth Law
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 20 Feb 1803
baptism/christening place: CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: John Law
mother's name: Alice
indexing project (batch) number: C00546-8

To: Flick and Ozibird -

Thank you so much for your help. I didn't realise that MMN wasn't on the baptism cert; for my Scottish lot, MMN is noted in the records and so I presumed that it would be for England.

Yes, this is looking like two marriages for John Henry Law which would explain the big gap between the brothers.

Now, how on earth am I going to find a marriage for a JOHN LAW to an ELIZABETH SOMETHING and then his second marriage to a MARY SOMETHING???? And how can I prove that they are the right marriages?

More help, PLEASE.

Thank you.

????
record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Henry Law
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 Apr 1812
baptism/christening place: St. Ann's, Manchester, Lancashire, England
birth date: 01 Dec 1811
father's name: John Law
mother's name: Elizabeth Law
indexing project (batch) number: C01758-2



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record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Law
bride's name: Elizabeth Waterworth
marriage date: 06 Mar 1803
marriage place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
groom's marital status: Unknown
bride's marital status: Single
indexing project (batch) number: M01056-2

1851 for the family as above

Name: John Law
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1783
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Law
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Lancasre Mant

Civil parish: Crumpsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Cheetham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Piece: 2232
Folio: 347
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
John Law 68
Mary Law 58
Eliza Law 45
Jaye Law 33
Fanny Law 32
Henry Law 30
Mary Hopkins 25
Mary Mallinson 21

Eliza is described as daughter..........I would doubt that she was Mary's.............so possibly two marriages for John?

All born MANCHESTER

1841 census

Name: Arthur Law
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Cheetham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 581
Book: 2
Folio: 34
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
John Law 55
Mary Law 45
Eliza Law 35
Jane Law 20
Fanny Law 20
Henry Law 20
Robert Law 15
Arthur Law 10

ALL b. Lancashire

You won't get the MMN on a baptism record............unless the parents were unmarried, and admitted as much

Your only hope is to look for a marriage for the parents..........presumably some time before 1812.