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William Bell (c1863) m Maria Baul

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Victoria

Victoria Report 8 Aug 2011 11:45

I've found a marriage for Stephen to Ann Harrison (6 Apr 1828), and the baptisms of the children.
I think I've found Stephen's christening, 11 Oct 1789 at All Saints, Wakefield. His parents were Stephen and Selina, so this seems to tie in.
There is a marriage for Stephen to Selina Cotton on 18 July 1780 at St James', Westminster, London.

Victoria

Victoria Report 8 Aug 2011 11:00

Hi,
This is really great help, I thought that Bell was just too common to get this much detail.
I've found Agnes' death in Jun Q 1897 registered in Bradford. So it seems very possible that William did get married again.
I found Stephen Bell's death in Sep Q 1853 in Leeds.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 5 Aug 2011 17:25

1851 England Census
about William Bell Name: William Bell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's name: Stephen Bell
Mother's name: Ann Bell
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 2320
Folio: 641
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Bell 61 >>> Tailor
Ann Bell 46
William Bell 12
Elizabeth Bell 8
Eliza Bell 6


1841 England Census
about William Bell Name: William Bell
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds Town
Hundred: Leeds Borough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Leeds North
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1347
Book: 6
Folio: 18
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Bell 50 >> Tailor
Ann Bell 35
Selina Bell 12
Stephen Bell 6
William Bell 4


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 5 Aug 2011 17:21

1901 England Census
about William Bell Name: William Bell
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Bell
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds St Mary
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 234
Piece: 4222
Folio: 168
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
William Bell 63 >>> IRON MOULDER
Louisa Bell 56
James H Atkinson 28
Alice Meadow 22


West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about William Bell Name: William Bell >>> MOULDER and a Widower
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 59
Marriage or Bann Date: 11 Dec 1897
Parish: Upper Armley
Father's name: Stephen Bell >> Tailor
Spouse's Name: Lowisa Hargreaves
Spouse's Father's Name: George Robinson

Witnesses were Tom and Elizabeth Manning.


Now did Agnes die and William remarry???

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 5 Aug 2011 17:14

Can't find a 1861 census to fit for Agnes.

William in 1851; there are a few that could fit him....... however it would be best to order his marriage certificate to Agnes to find their fathers names and the witnesses maybe of help too.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 5 Aug 2011 16:44

Hi,

think this maybe Agnes in 1841;

1841 England Census
about Agnes Winson Name: Agnes Winson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Hundred: Leeds Borough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Leeds West
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1346
Book: 4
Folio: 30
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Firth 30
Harriet Southren 20
Agnes Winson 5


Address is Bow Court, Sovereign Street.

Victoria

Victoria Report 5 Aug 2011 11:56

Hi
Thanks for this.
I have found William's baptism record, it's for the 27 Sep 1863, so it fits inbetween their marriage and Alfred's birth. It happened in Chorlton-upon-Medlock, which answers why he had Manchester as his place of birth on the censuses.
I think I've found William Snr on the 1861 census, living in Chorlton, as a boarder. He's born in Leeds and working as an iron moulder.
I'm having trouble before that though.
Also on Agnes' side, I seem to have found her on the 1851 census:

James McGuire 50 Engineer Manchester
Agnes McGuire 52 Marsden
Hannah daug 28 Manchester
John son 19 Hunslet, Yorkshire
Ann daug 16 Leeds
Jane daug 15 Leeds
Selina daug 12 Leeds
James son 10 Hull
Agnes Windsor Granddaughter 15 Leeds

There is an Agnes Windsor on the 1861 census, but she's born and living in London area. I can't find her brith or baptism anywhere.
If anyone can help me with any of this, I'd be very grateful

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 19:47

Name: Henry Bell
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 31 Oct 1870
Birthplace: Waterford, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Bell
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Agnes Windsor
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01223-8
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 101218
Reference Number: v 19-2 p 676

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 19:46

Name: Edward Bell
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 31 Oct 1870
Birthplace: Waterford, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Bell
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Agnes Windsor
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01223-8
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 101218
Reference Number: v 19-2 p 677

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 19:03

Have you looked at the 1901 census for William and Maria?

Edward born Ireland is with them!!!!

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 18:30

Possible marriage for William and Agnes;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>Bell William Leeds 9b 412
Townsley Joseph Leeds 9b 412
Watson Martha Leeds 9b 412
>>>>>Windsor Agnes Leeds 9b 412

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 17:34

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Selina Bell Name: Selina Bell
Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 20
Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Dec 1889
Parish: Manningham, St Jude
Father's name: William Bell >> Moulder
Spouse's Name: Edwin Ramsden
Spouse's Father's Name: William Henry Ramsden

1 wtness was William Bell.

Now I can send this marriage image to you so you could maybe look at the signature..... it may match your Williams?? If you want the image send me a PM (private message) by clicking onto my board name.

Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 17:30

Looking at baptisms I note that Alfreds is the first.. yet William was supposedly born first!!! So is his birthplace on the 1881 census wrong??

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Alfred Bell Name: Alfred Bell
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1865
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 12 Nov 1865
Father's name: William Bell >> Occupation; Moulder
Mother's name: Agnes Bell

Address; Charles Street

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 17:18

1891 England Census
about William Bell Name: William Bell
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Agnes Bell
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Holbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Holbeck
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 St James Place

Occupation:Iron Moulder

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Holbeck
Sub-registration district: Holbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3670
Folio: 109
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
William Bell 51
Agnes Bell 52
Henry Bell 20
Edward Bell 20


William snr in 1881 gives a birth place of Sheffield......... area in this census looks VERY good!!!

EDIT>>>>>The twins Henry and Edward were born in Ireland........ so we maybe won't find them on the 1871 census

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 17:15

Just going to look at this family;

1881 England Census
about William Bell Name: William Bell
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Bell
Mother's name: Agnes Bell
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 10 Belmont St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Mechanic (22.2)

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4520
Folio: 95
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
William Bell 42 >> Iron Moulder
Agnes Bell 40
William Bell 18 >> Mechanic
Alfred Bell 17
Selina Bell 13
Henry (Twin) Bell 10
Edward (Twin) Bell 10


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 17:12

Hi Victoria,

sorry struggling to see anything prior to the 1891 census. I wonder if Williams mother had him prior to marriage and he gave the name of his father to save face??

Dee x

Victoria

Victoria Report 4 Aug 2011 16:38

The witnesses were James Baul and George 'Benson' (it looks like)

Victoria

Victoria Report 4 Aug 2011 16:35

Hi,
Thank you!
I've only found evidence of 4 children though, so anything on the other one would be good.
I know that 'Violet's real first name was Alice. I believe she was working as a servant on the 1911 census in Salford. Henrietta was boarding at a house in Manchester, and working as a machinist. :-)

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 4 Aug 2011 16:31

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate?

Flick

Flick Report 4 Aug 2011 16:28

1891

Name: Maria Dell
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Dell
Gender: Female
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Holbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Holbeck
Sub-registration district: Holbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3670
Folio: 126
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
William Dell 27
Maria Dell 23
Elizabeth Baul 18