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Looking for any info on Mary Margaret Gristlewhite born 8 June 1890 in Liverpool.

Married Patrick Flynn in 1910 had 3, maybe 4 children.
Ellen Flynn (1910)
Veronice Flynn (1914)
James Flynn (1917)
Mary Flynn (after 1918 possibly adopted out - family story can't find any documents)

The surname doesn't pop up many places. It's definately spelt correctly. It's on the birth certificate for my Great Grandmother (Ellen Flynn) and it's on the birth registration during 1890. So unless it had a variant for Mary's parents...

Patrick Flynn died in 1922 and Mary went on to marry Charles Slater in 1932.

Mary died in 1975 in Liverpool.

If anyone could help out with finding info on my GG Grandmother, I would be very appreciative. I can't find her in any census forms.

I also can't find any Gristlewhites in any census apart from an 1841 one. The nearest I can find is Grissenthwaite.

This is definitely a case of having to purchase the marriage certificate, I think.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Mary M Gristlewhite
Name: Mary M Gristlewhite
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1910
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 138

Could she possibly have been Irish?

The are no births registered for the name Gristlewhite between 1841 and 1911 that i can see. Except for one in 1865.

Thanks for that. I guess that's my only option seen as there seems to be nothing out there...

What a frustrating surname LoL.

Hi Holly.

My Nan has said that there is an Irish connection, but thought it was from the FLYNN side. The 1911 census for their address (45 Epsom Street, Liverpool) says that she was born in Liverpool though. As well as her death certificate, but it's worth looking into...

Though from every search for anything Irish related, all my queries have come back being a waste of time.

Any suggestions?

I have the same problem with my own family research Danny.
When it comes to searching for their Irish records...........i do not have the luck of the Oirish!!! lol

Just to prove that there were people of that name, or similar in and around Liverpool:

Burial: 8 Feb 1827 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Gresenwhite -
Age: 34 Years
Abode: Drury Lane
Buried by: Thomas Johnson Curate
Register: Burials 1827 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 2, Entry 986
Source: LDS Film 1068891

Marriage: 8 May 1837 St Cuthbert, Halsall, Lancashire, England
Luke Gregson - (X), Labourer of Halsall
***Isabel Gristlewhite - (X), Spinster of Altcar
Witness: James Lea; Thomas Sumner
Married by Banns by: Richd. Leigh Curate
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1837, Page 90, Entry 269
Source: LDS Film 1849658

Baptisms: 14 May 1847 St Martin in the Field, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Gristlewaite - Child of John Gristlewaite & Mary
Abode: Oswald St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: C Wray
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1850, Page 250, Entry 1997
Source: LDS Film 1656205

Burial: 22 Jan 1864 St Cuthbert, Halsall, Lancashire, England
***Alice Gristlewhite -
Age: 5
Abode: Bickerstaffe
Buried by: A.Vaughan Williams Curate
Register: Burials 1844 - 1872, Page 132, Entry 1082
Source: LDS Film 1849658

Burial: 11 Oct 1876 St Mary the Virgin, Goosnargh, Lancashire, England
Hannah Gristlewaite -
Age: 43
Abode: Patient in Whittingham Asylum
Notes: (181 in col 1)
Buried by: William Shilleto
Register: Burials 1867 - 1900, Page 44, Entry 349
Source: LDS Film 4185568

Baptisms: 28 Jul 1886 St Martin in the Field, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Martha Grestlewhite - Child of Margaret Grestlewhite
Born: 11 Jul 1886
Abode: 23 Bostock St
Baptised by: Wm Chaplin, Incumbent
Register: Baptisms 1876 - 1901, Page 466, Entry 1346
Source: LDS Film 1656205

There were 6 matches for this search! - from Lancs OPC site.

Doesn't help with Mary though...........

Dea x

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Hi all. I'd like to ask again for assistance as I have found out new information which could help.

A death certificate I received from Mary Margaret's daughter states Mary's maiden name as being HALE.

So here is what we know, which makes this confusing.

Name: Mary Margaret HALE (??)
Born: 8 Jun 1890, Liverpool
Married: Patrick FLYNN in 1910 (maiden name listed as GRISTLEWHITE)
Children: James FLYNN (1917) and Veronica FLYNN (1914) (maiden name listed as GRISTLEWHITE) other children were born before maiden name registration
No birth for GRISTLEWHITE
Possible birth for Mary HALE in 1890, and possible baptism in Jul 1890 parents being Mary and George.

Would appreciate any assistance at all.
Thanks.

Just posting this for now.
The only Mary Margaret born Liverpool in June Quarter 1890
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Births Jun 1890
Nurse Mary Margaret - W. Derby 8b 321


EDIT :

NO

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Deaths Sep 1899
Nurse Mary - 9 - W. Derby 8b 347

Can you post the 1911 census you have for her and Patrick please .

1911 - for reference:

FLYNN, Patrick Head Married M 29 1882 Dock Labourer Liverpool Lancs
FLYNN, Mary Margaret Wife Married 1 years F 24 1887 Liverpool Lancs
FLYNN, Ellen Daughter Single F 0 1911 Liverpool Lancs
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22123 Reference:
RG14PN22123 RG78PN1311 RD453 SD1 ED7 SN344

Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
Scotland Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Liverpool

Address:
45 Epsom St Liverpool County:
Lancashire


Dea x

Found this

My Reference Number: M142a
Name: MARY MARGARET GRISTLEWHITE
District: LIVERPOOL
Volume: 8b
Page: 138
Quarter: JFM
Year: 1910
New in March 2007
Note: Jean Watson provided the copy of this Certificate.
File Name: M142a.jpg Size: 881 KB JPEG Image.
Send your request for a copy of this Certificate to this address, (see condition at top of page)


http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3ddq1947/grisgene/marriages.html

Could this be her birth??

Births Sep 1887
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GRITWAITE Mary Margaret W. Derby 8b 427

The 1911 census gives her year of birth as 1887?

Dea x

shows a few variations of the name

http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3ddq1947/grisgene/wills.html

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Maria Margarita Grissenthwaite Name: Maria Margarita Grissenthwaite
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1887
Baptism Date: 23 Jun 1887
Parish: St Francis de Sales
Mother's Name: Helenae Grissenthwaite

Looks like the mother was unmarried?

Dea x

EDIT - I have just noticed that she has the correct date of birth i.e. 8th June, though 3 years ealier than the one you posted.

I think this MUST be her. ************

Where did you get her birth date from Danny?

Dea x

OR - It could be this one (using her middle name)?

1891 England Census
about Margt Gristlewaite Name: Margt Gristlewaite
[Margt Grisenthwaite]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Gristlewaite
Mother's Name: Margt Gristlewaite
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Stanley St Ann
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Rural)
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2999
Folio: 139
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Gristlewaite 26 Genr. labr.
Margt Gristlewaite 23
Ann Gristlewaite 6
James Gristlewaite 4
Margt Gristlewaite 3
Phoebe Gristlewaite 1

at 35 Swan St.

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2999; Folio 139; Page 35; GSU roll: 6098109.



Dea x

Ahh - I see the dob was from her death reg?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Mary Margaret Slater Name: Mary Margaret Slater
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1890
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1975
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 36
Page: 1072

Was her new husband a little younger than her perhaps?

Dea x

?????
Marriages Dec 1891
Gritwaite Ellen Liverpool 8b 111
Hale Edward Liverpool 8b 111
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1901 census transcription details for: 10, Ascot Street, Liverpool

RG number: RG13 Piece: 3408 Folio: 109 Page: 50

Reg. District: Liverpool Sub District: St Martin
Parish: Liverpool Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: St James the Less City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 10, Ascot Street, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
HALE, Edward Head Married M 33 1868 Coal Porter
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALE, Ellen Wife Married F 34 1867
Liverpool
Lancashire
>>>HALE, Mary M Daughter F 13 1888
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALE, Daniel Son M 11 1890
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALE, Frances Daughter F 8 1893
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALE, Mary H Daughter F 5 1896
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALE, Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1898
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALE, Ellen Daughter F 1 1900
Liverpool
Lancashire


Maureen

Well done Maureen - I think we have them now !!!

Got to pick grand-daughter up from school but will have another look later


Dea x <3