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same address in 1871 census

again fmp error in transcription surname looks like Staines on the original

Address: Jordan's Farm, Mountnessing

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

HAINES, William Head M 79 1792 Essex Mountnessing (Farmer of 121 acres 4 men 1 boy)
HAINES, Amelia S Wife F 73 1798 London
PETTY, Alfred T Grandson M 19 1852 Sussex Brighton
WOOLLEY, Emma Servant F 40 1831 Essex
BARNES, Ellen Servant F 13 1858 Essex

here they are on 1861 at the same address as 1851

it took a bit to find them as the surname has been bodged by fmp, it says Staines on the original, Sarah is calling herself Amelia now, oh and places/ birth years have been altered since 1851.

1861 census
Address: Jordans Farm House, Padhams Green, Mountnessing

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

HAINES, William Head Married M 69 1792 Farming 104 Acres 6 Men Mountnessing Essex
HAINES, Amelia Wife Married F 61 1800 London
HAINES, Henry Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Farmers Son Mountnessing Essex
HOWARD, Ellen Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 House Servant Stock Essex

Jan,

I have the death certificate of Alfred Ward, just checked it says Amelia Sarah, maybe she was known as Amelia, it was filled out by his brother William.

Just a query, were the family still in the same place on the 1861 Census?

I might consider getting the birth cert for Alfred, as then you can hopefully confirm his mother's name.
Jan

Thanks again for your help

possibly the family on 1841 census

Address: Clap Gate Conners, Mountnessing

Name Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

STAINES, William M 45 1796 Essex (occupation Farmer)
STAINES, Sarah F 40 1801 Essex
STAINES, Thomas M 20 1821 Essex
STAINES, Sarah F 15 1826 Essex
STAINES, Anne F 15 1826 Essex
STAINES, William M 12 1829 Essex
STAINES, George M 10 1831 Essex
STAINES, Eleanor F 8 1833 Essex
STAINES, John M 6 1835 Essex
STAINES, Sophia F 4 1837 Essex
STAINES, Henry M 2 1839 Essex

I think Tempest must have the right family. Here is Alfred's birth reg, and Mountnessing is under Billericay registration district


Births Dec 1841 (>99%)
Staines Alfred Ward Billericay 12 7

Thanks everyone, I can check details of other children.

mother's name not Amelia, but some of the other info fits

1851 census
Address: Jordans Farm, Mountnessing, Mountnessing

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

STAINES, William Head Married M 59 1792 Farmer 114 Employing 5 Labourers London Middlesex
STAINES, Sarah Ann Wife Married F 54 1797 Farmers Wife Mountnessg Essex
STAINES, George Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Farmers Son Mountnessg Essex
STAINES, John Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Farmers Son Mountnessg Essex
STAINES, Henry John Son M 11 1840 School At Home Mountnessg Essex
STAINES, Alfred Will Son M 9 1842 School At Home Mountnessg Essex
STAINES, Eliza Brignall Servant F 15 1836 General Servant Stock Essex

OK.........and at least you have now given fuller details.

Flick,

Sorry, misunderstood. I have been only able to find the deaths of the 3 sons. Have only found the arrival of William 1852 & George in 1853, Alfred Ward died in 1862 aged 19 years.

There is this one ,she is with a Willian Stains aged 40 a Greengrocer on the original image
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It states they were not of this area

1841 England Census
about Amelia Stains
Name: Amelia Stains
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St Clement Danes
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 731
Book: 5
Folio: 5
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Amelia Stains 25

Could they already have left before the 1851 census?

Did all of the family move to Australia?

I asked for the birth years for the parents.............

The wife on the 1841 posted above appears on later censuses.....name Maria

Jan,

I don't know the birth years of William or Amelia,

PricklyHolly, or occupation of William

It just on their death records, parents names William & Amelia Hewitson

What was Williams occupation?

You haven't put birth years for William and Amelia.
Jan

Flick,

I don't know where the parents were born, but the sons birthplace on their death records stated Essex, I put approx birth years in my 1st thread

???


1841 England Census
about George Haines
Name: George Haines
[George Staines]
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Romford
Hundred: Havering atte Bower Liberty
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Romford
Household Members:
Name Age
William Haines 35 (Blacksmith)
Miria Haines 25
George Haines 11
William Haines 10
Cathrine Haines 9
Ann Haines 8
Ellen Haines 4
Thomas Haines 3

Probably not this one!