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Glad to help. Good Luck with your research.

Regards Vera

Thankyou, Vera and Shirley for your informative attempts to help me make some sense of my past, albeit vague and inconclusive and at times muddled. One day I hope to lay it bare in a concise and informative way,

thankyou.x

Thankyou, Vera and Shirley for your informative attempts to help me make some sense of my past, albeit vague and inconclusive and at times muddled. One day I hope to lay it bare in a concise and informative way,

thankyou.x

Hi Vera and Shirley,

Apologies, must go family crisis, many thanx for your time and help.xxTracey.

Yes Arthur was dead by 1911 see the census posted above with the 1901 one ! for Helen and Ida etc living in Hale Cheshire Helen is listed as Widow :-)

Thomas Francis Fremantle was the first Baron Cottesloe b1798 to d1890.

Thomas Francis Fremantle 2nd Baron Cottesloe b 1830 d 1918

Regards Vera

1911
Sched Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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33 FREMANTLE, Cecil Son Single M 45 1866 Land Agent To Lord Cottesloe London St Georges Hanover Green VIEW
33 ASH, Thomas Servant Married M 48 1863 Head Garden Domestic Buckinghamshire Swanbourne VIEW
33 ASH, Elizabeth Servant Married
23 years F 50 1861 Caretaker Domestic Buckinghamshire Fulmer VIEW
33 HARRIS, Rose Minnie Servant Single F 18 1893 Housemaid Domestic Buckinghamshire Mursley VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7958 Reference:
RG14PN7958 RG78PN400 RD147 SD1 ED6 SN33

Registration District:
Winslow Sub District:
Winslow Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Swanbourne

Address:
Swanbourne House Swanbourne Winslow County:
Buckinghamshire



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Regards Vera

Arthur dead by 1911?

1911

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FREMANTLE, Thomas Francis Head Married M 49 1862 Private Means London St Georges Hanover Square VIEW
FREMANTLE, Florence Annie Alexandra Wife Married
14 years F 35 1876 Sussex Brighton VIEW
FREMANTLE, Thomas Francis Halford Son M 14 1897 Student London Marylebone VIEW
FREMANTLE, Edward St John Son M 9 1902 Oxfordshire Holton VIEW
FREMANTLE, Margaret Augusta Daughter F 6 1905 Bucks Swanbourne VIEW
FREMANTLE, Christopher Evelyn Son M 4 1907 Bucks Swanbourne VIEW
FREMANTLE, Bride Faith Louise Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Bucks Swanbourne VIEW
MARTIN, Harriet Servant Single F 35 1876 Ladies Maid Domestic Staffordshire Church Eaton VIEW
SENIOR, Mary Winifred Juliet Visitor Single F 25 1886 Governess Gloucestershire Redland VIEW
WEBB, Louisa Jane Servant Single F 42 1869 Sick Nurse Essex Colchester VIEW
MALINS, Emma Servant Single F 52 1859 Nurse Domestic Gloucestershire Bledington VIEW
FAUCON, Jeanne Servant Single F 21 1890 Nurse Domestic Devallois Perret France VIEW
BUCKBY, Frank Samuel Servant Single M 23 1888 Footman Domestic Northants Burton Latimer VIEW
FREEMAN, Annie Servant Married F 47 1864 Cook Domestic Bucks Barton Hartshorn VIEW
TOMKINSON, Elizabeth Servant Single F 53 1858 Housemaid Domestic London Bermondsey VIEW
JARVIS, Frances Elizabeth Servant Single F 25 1886 Kitchenmaid Domestic Leicestershire Kilby VIEW
SLEIGH, Lilian Gertrude Servant Single F 26 1885 Housemaid Domestic London Chelsea VIEW
PASK, Annie Elizabeth Servant Single F 16 1895 Scullery Maid Domestic Leicestershire Kilby VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7958 Reference:
RG14PN7958 RG78PN400 RD147 SD1 ED6 SN5

Registration District:
Winslow Sub District:
Winslow Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Swanbourne

Address:
The Old House Swanbourne Winslow County:
Buckinghamshire

Regards Vera

Vera this a weird one, the Freemantles and Cottisloes are linked, when or before Thomas died my Great, Great Gran Ethel, who had 3 girls of her own also took on her dead sisters girl, the went to live at The Old School House Swanbourne in service to, and opposite the Freemantles home, she governed the children and was also courtesy of family myth the Mushroom taster/tester for the Master.
In 1966 both the Freemantles and Owen to Betts gave birth in March to myself and june/july David Freemantle, who has since gone to Australia in search of roots and to raise funds for charity.

Tracey Not really a kindly act for Athur .Its not unknown for step children to take on the new husbands surname /especially when a child was illigitimate. Gave them the father they didnt have !!

I posted the 1911 for Helen and the children above !! Arthur had died by then. She is living in Hale Cheshire

No sorry Tracey was my fault I put two L's instead of T's.

Regards Vera

Shirley, at this moment in time no I haven't got his cert, but now will, I did find Arthur and Helen /Eleen on a census in the same house but not married, which leads me to think there may have been a dalliance, as Arthur seems from my research to have been married before.

Shirley many thanx for your interest in this.

Vera the name is Cottisloes, sorry may have mis-typed, The Freemantles live in Swanbourne, Ian Duncan-Smith married one of their daughters.

So presumably it was a kindly act of Arthur Owen b. 1850 Welshpool, Berriew, Montgomeryshire,Wales who married Thomas' mother Helen/Ellen Pritchard b.1869 of Wavertree, Lancs to give his surname to Thomas?

I do also know that Arthur and Helen/Ellen went on to have offspring:-
Ida Owen, 1897, Checkley, Staffs.
Desmond Owen, 1899, Bowden, Cheshire.
Edith Owen, 1900, Bowden, Cheshire, given the age gap, it would be interesting to know of their whereabouts in 1911, is this possible?

Thomas' parents were listed via WW1 records as living in Sale/Hale Cheshire and his wife in Swanbourne, Bucks at the time of his death.

Would seem he was illigitimate and took the name as Owen when his mum married.
have you got his birth cert ??

Have tried to find the name Collisloe/s on the 1911 so far no luck..

Who were the Freemantles?


Regards Vera

looks like his mum was Helen Pritchard and she married in 1893 to Arthur H Owen
Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
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Butler Joseph Harry Stoke T. 6b 385
CHILTON William Herbert Stoke T. 6b 385
Mander Annie Stoke T. 6b 385
Parkes Mary Eliza Stoke T. 6b 385
Pritchard Helen Stoke T. 6b 385 >>>

one male missing

1901 census
Name: Thomas P Owen
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's name: Arthur H Owen
Mother's name: Helen Owen
Gender: Male
Where born: West Derby, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Hale
Ecclesiastical parish: Bowdon St Mary
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:Fern Lee

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bucklow
Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Piece: 3324
Folio: 82
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur H Owen 50 occ coachman -domestic born Berriew ??Montgomeryshire
Helen Owen 32
Thomas P Owen 12
Ida Owen 4
Desmond Owen 2
Edith Owen 8 Months



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3324; Folio: 82; Page: 32.



1911 for Helen >>>>>>>>>)))))))))))))

OWEN, Helen Head Widow F 42 1869 Laundress Wavertree Lancashire VIEW
OWEN, Ida Daughter F 14 1897 Beamhurst Staffordshire VIEW
OWEN, Desmond Son M 12 1899 Hale Cheshire VIEW
OWEN, Edith Daughter F 10 1901 Hale Cheshire VIEW
OWEN, Mary Daughter F 7 1904 Hale Cheshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21543 Reference:
RG14PN21543 RG78PN1283 RD445 SD2 ED20 SN57

Registration District:
Bucklow Sub District:
Altrincham Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Hale

Address:
56 Park Road Hale County:
Cheshire

You may already have these but posting as found in searching for Thomas :S :S :S :-(

The reg. district of Billesdon includes Newton Harcourt.

Regarding adoption The adopted childrens register was introduced after 1 Jan 1927 prior to that there was no formal adoption process.

Regards Vera