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My Great, Great Grandfather has evoked some interest due to his grave being in Newton Harcourt and having served in WW1.
I am hoping that some kind person can shed some light as to his whereabouts in 1911, as I can find nothing at all.

Thomas Pritchard Owen, was born 1889 West Derby, Lancs. presumed bastard as at birth reg. Thomas Pritchard. He married in 3/4 1909 an Ethel Scotchbrook (b.1888 in Newton Harcourt), in Newton Harcourt. Leics. They had a daughter Ethel Owen b. 1910 Surrey, followed by Hilda Mary owen 1911 Surrey. His profession at this time was most likely a gardener and his wife a corset maker/ housewife. All info greatly appreciated.

Many thanx in anticipation, Tracey.

1911

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OWEN, Thomas P Head Married M 22 1889 Gardener Domestic Lancashire Liverpool VIEW
OWEN, Ethel Wife Married
1 years F 22 1889 Leicestershire Newton Harcourt VIEW
OWEN, Ethel Daughter F 1 1910 Surrey Dorking VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3186 Reference:
RG14PN3186 RG78PN119 RD36 SD2 ED5 SN82

Registration District:
Dorking Sub District:
Dorking Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Dorking

Address:
57 Falkland Road Dorking County:
Surrey



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Regards Vera

Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
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ASHER Alfred Ernest Billesdon 7a 59
>>>>>>OWEN Thomas Pritchard Billesdon 7a 59
>>>>>>SCOTCHBROOK Ethel Billesdon 7a 59
THOMPSON Margaret Jane Billesdon 7a 59

Been interested to see what he put for fathers name and occupation on certificate.


Regards Vera

Thankyou very much Vera, I really appreciate this. I'm not really aux faux with Surrey but could you suggest to me a way of finding out if the Cottisloes, as in Lord and Lady of the time, were down that way as he and his wife have working links with them in Newton Harcourt, Leics. and Swanbourne, Bucks with the Freemantles.

At this juncture I am very much the novice, but I did always find it strange that despite his wife and 3 daughters being housed in Swanbourne around the time of his death, my nan well remembered the fleeting encounter whilst he was dying and she of a tender age, that he was buried in Newton Harcourt and (presumed died) in1919.

Ref...

Thomas P Owen
Death Registration Month/Year: 1919
Age at death (estimated): 30
Registration district: Billesdon
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 37


Regards Vera

Vera it is time I bought the certificate, interestingly enough when an illegitemate is born in my family its always a son thus making a tracing very difficult...........in Thomas' case when he enlisted his name was Thomas Pritchard Owen............and Arthur was listed as his father at his death, when was adoption and its legal documenting started?

The reg. district of Billesdon includes Newton Harcourt.

Regarding adoption The adopted childrens register was introduced after 1 Jan 1927 prior to that there was no formal adoption process.

Regards Vera

looks like his mum was Helen Pritchard and she married in 1893 to Arthur H Owen
Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
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Butler Joseph Harry Stoke T. 6b 385
CHILTON William Herbert Stoke T. 6b 385
Mander Annie Stoke T. 6b 385
Parkes Mary Eliza Stoke T. 6b 385
Pritchard Helen Stoke T. 6b 385 >>>

one male missing

1901 census
Name: Thomas P Owen
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's name: Arthur H Owen
Mother's name: Helen Owen
Gender: Male
Where born: West Derby, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Hale
Ecclesiastical parish: Bowdon St Mary
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:Fern Lee

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bucklow
Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Piece: 3324
Folio: 82
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur H Owen 50 occ coachman -domestic born Berriew ??Montgomeryshire
Helen Owen 32
Thomas P Owen 12
Ida Owen 4
Desmond Owen 2
Edith Owen 8 Months



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3324; Folio: 82; Page: 32.



1911 for Helen >>>>>>>>>)))))))))))))

OWEN, Helen Head Widow F 42 1869 Laundress Wavertree Lancashire VIEW
OWEN, Ida Daughter F 14 1897 Beamhurst Staffordshire VIEW
OWEN, Desmond Son M 12 1899 Hale Cheshire VIEW
OWEN, Edith Daughter F 10 1901 Hale Cheshire VIEW
OWEN, Mary Daughter F 7 1904 Hale Cheshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21543 Reference:
RG14PN21543 RG78PN1283 RD445 SD2 ED20 SN57

Registration District:
Bucklow Sub District:
Altrincham Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Hale

Address:
56 Park Road Hale County:
Cheshire

You may already have these but posting as found in searching for Thomas :S :S :S :-(

Have tried to find the name Collisloe/s on the 1911 so far no luck..

Who were the Freemantles?


Regards Vera

Would seem he was illigitimate and took the name as Owen when his mum married.
have you got his birth cert ??

So presumably it was a kindly act of Arthur Owen b. 1850 Welshpool, Berriew, Montgomeryshire,Wales who married Thomas' mother Helen/Ellen Pritchard b.1869 of Wavertree, Lancs to give his surname to Thomas?

I do also know that Arthur and Helen/Ellen went on to have offspring:-
Ida Owen, 1897, Checkley, Staffs.
Desmond Owen, 1899, Bowden, Cheshire.
Edith Owen, 1900, Bowden, Cheshire, given the age gap, it would be interesting to know of their whereabouts in 1911, is this possible?

Thomas' parents were listed via WW1 records as living in Sale/Hale Cheshire and his wife in Swanbourne, Bucks at the time of his death.

Vera the name is Cottisloes, sorry may have mis-typed, The Freemantles live in Swanbourne, Ian Duncan-Smith married one of their daughters.

Shirley, at this moment in time no I haven't got his cert, but now will, I did find Arthur and Helen /Eleen on a census in the same house but not married, which leads me to think there may have been a dalliance, as Arthur seems from my research to have been married before.

Shirley many thanx for your interest in this.

No sorry Tracey was my fault I put two L's instead of T's.

Regards Vera

I posted the 1911 for Helen and the children above !! Arthur had died by then. She is living in Hale Cheshire

Tracey Not really a kindly act for Athur .Its not unknown for step children to take on the new husbands surname /especially when a child was illigitimate. Gave them the father they didnt have !!

Vera this a weird one, the Freemantles and Cottisloes are linked, when or before Thomas died my Great, Great Gran Ethel, who had 3 girls of her own also took on her dead sisters girl, the went to live at The Old School House Swanbourne in service to, and opposite the Freemantles home, she governed the children and was also courtesy of family myth the Mushroom taster/tester for the Master.
In 1966 both the Freemantles and Owen to Betts gave birth in March to myself and june/july David Freemantle, who has since gone to Australia in search of roots and to raise funds for charity.

1911

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FREMANTLE, Thomas Francis Head Married M 49 1862 Private Means London St Georges Hanover Square VIEW
FREMANTLE, Florence Annie Alexandra Wife Married
14 years F 35 1876 Sussex Brighton VIEW
FREMANTLE, Thomas Francis Halford Son M 14 1897 Student London Marylebone VIEW
FREMANTLE, Edward St John Son M 9 1902 Oxfordshire Holton VIEW
FREMANTLE, Margaret Augusta Daughter F 6 1905 Bucks Swanbourne VIEW
FREMANTLE, Christopher Evelyn Son M 4 1907 Bucks Swanbourne VIEW
FREMANTLE, Bride Faith Louise Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Bucks Swanbourne VIEW
MARTIN, Harriet Servant Single F 35 1876 Ladies Maid Domestic Staffordshire Church Eaton VIEW
SENIOR, Mary Winifred Juliet Visitor Single F 25 1886 Governess Gloucestershire Redland VIEW
WEBB, Louisa Jane Servant Single F 42 1869 Sick Nurse Essex Colchester VIEW
MALINS, Emma Servant Single F 52 1859 Nurse Domestic Gloucestershire Bledington VIEW
FAUCON, Jeanne Servant Single F 21 1890 Nurse Domestic Devallois Perret France VIEW
BUCKBY, Frank Samuel Servant Single M 23 1888 Footman Domestic Northants Burton Latimer VIEW
FREEMAN, Annie Servant Married F 47 1864 Cook Domestic Bucks Barton Hartshorn VIEW
TOMKINSON, Elizabeth Servant Single F 53 1858 Housemaid Domestic London Bermondsey VIEW
JARVIS, Frances Elizabeth Servant Single F 25 1886 Kitchenmaid Domestic Leicestershire Kilby VIEW
SLEIGH, Lilian Gertrude Servant Single F 26 1885 Housemaid Domestic London Chelsea VIEW
PASK, Annie Elizabeth Servant Single F 16 1895 Scullery Maid Domestic Leicestershire Kilby VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7958 Reference:
RG14PN7958 RG78PN400 RD147 SD1 ED6 SN5

Registration District:
Winslow Sub District:
Winslow Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Swanbourne

Address:
The Old House Swanbourne Winslow County:
Buckinghamshire

Regards Vera

Arthur dead by 1911?

1911
Sched Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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33 FREMANTLE, Cecil Son Single M 45 1866 Land Agent To Lord Cottesloe London St Georges Hanover Green VIEW
33 ASH, Thomas Servant Married M 48 1863 Head Garden Domestic Buckinghamshire Swanbourne VIEW
33 ASH, Elizabeth Servant Married
23 years F 50 1861 Caretaker Domestic Buckinghamshire Fulmer VIEW
33 HARRIS, Rose Minnie Servant Single F 18 1893 Housemaid Domestic Buckinghamshire Mursley VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7958 Reference:
RG14PN7958 RG78PN400 RD147 SD1 ED6 SN33

Registration District:
Winslow Sub District:
Winslow Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Swanbourne

Address:
Swanbourne House Swanbourne Winslow County:
Buckinghamshire



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Regards Vera