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YES YES thank you so much finally the elusive family have been found along with a couple more children too.

Thank you all for your help you have filled in so many gaps

Yes that must be right as Eliza A SLADE was Eliza A STAINES sister to John, she must have stayed with the family when dad left.

Bad transcription!!!

1881 census transcription details for: Woollard Street, Waltham Abbey Aka Waltham Holy Cross (Essex)

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 1396 Folio: 68 Page: 61


Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Waltham Abbey
Parish: Waltham Abbey Aka Waltham Holy Cross (Essex) Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Woollard Street, Waltham Abbey Aka Waltham Holy Cross (Essex)
County: Middlesex
STEVENS, John T Head Married M 34 1847 Labourer R S A Factry (C S 6)
Waltham Abbey
Essex
STEVENS, Caroline Wife Married F 30 1851
Waltham Abbey
Essex
STEVENS, Harriet M Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Waltham Abbey
Essex
STEVENS, Florence M Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Waltham Abbey
Essex
STEVENS, Claudice M A Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Waltham Abbey
Essex
STEVENS, John E Son Single M 2 1879
Waltham Abbey
Essex


Maureen

1901 have you ruled this one out

Name: Elizth Staines
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Enfield, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Enfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Forty Hill Jesus Church
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Enfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 136
Piece: 1272
Folio: 65
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Slade 40
Eliza Slade 42
Charles Slade 20
Ida Slade 18
Marjoram Slade 16
John Slade 14
Henry Slade 10
Rosey Slade 12
Alice Slade 8
George Slade 3
William Slade 3/12
Alfred Hilson 20
Elizth Staines 23

Just found birth for Harriett Elizabeth STAINES

1871 West Ham
June Qu
Vol 4a
Page 21

I would think there was some connection Mont or Montrose is an unusual name...could be wrong though

Edit - Maureen has confirmed it

jax

1901 census transcription details for: 2, Laurel Bank Road, Enfield
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1272 Folio: 12 Page: 15

Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Enfield
Parish: Enfield Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew's City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Laurel Bank Road, Enfield County: Middlesex

STAINES, John T Head Married M 56 1845 Rifle Maker (Magazines)
Hollyfield Essex
STAINES, Ellen G Wife Married F 46 1855
Cumnor Berkshire
HAYNES, Thomas Father-In-Law Widower M 74 1827 Retired Farmer
Cumno Berkshire
HOBSON, Mark Nephew Single M 22 1879 Butchers Shop Assistant
Enfield Middlesex
HAYNES, Harry Nephew Single M 18 1883 Milling Machine Guard Small Arms Factory
Paddington London

Maureen

Can anyone find John's wife on 1881 census so as to see what other children there were as the child MaureeninNY found must be a sister that I didn't know existed??

Margee I think it must have been coincidence that the names are the same.

Eleanor E. was just a servant with the Haynes family on the 1901 census.

Another sister?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Harriett Elizabeth Staines
Name: Harriett Elizabeth Staines
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: George Eastwick Occ:Sailor
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 01 Aug 1898
Parish: St Andrew
COUNTY: London
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: John Thomas Staines Occ:Machinist
Spouse Father Name: George Thomas Eastwick

Witnesses were Claudine Mary Ann Staines and John Thomas Staines.

Maureen

Deaths Mar 1933 (>99%)
Shiryer Claudine M A 56 Edmonton 3a 1162

Umm now where is the link between Eleanor E STAINES on the 1901 census living with the HAYNES family and then the 1911 census where John and new wife Helen have Mont HAYNES Nephew with them???

Coincidence??

1911
SHIRYER, George Head Married M 38 1873 Railway Locomotive Engine Driver Southampton Hampshire VIEW
SHIRYER, Claudine Wife Married
11 years F 34 1877 Watham Essex VIEW
SHIRYER, Ethel Daughter F 6 1905 School Stratford Essex VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9368 Reference:
RG14PN9368 RG78PN505 RD188 SD1 ED27 SN412

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Stratford Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
West Ham

Address:
30 Maryland Road Stratford West Ham

marriage perhaps

Name: Eleanor Eliza Staines
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Eastbourne
COUNTY: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 171 (click to see others on page)

Claudine's death:

Deaths Sep 1884 (>99%)
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Staines Claudine Victoria 33 Edmonton 3a 214



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I have added the 1901 to the post above kim ...born waltham abbey

jax

Thank you for confirming the right husband of daughter Claudine.


So that means I should have the right death for Claudine senior then given that John was a widow in 1891. Oh I love it when something finally works together lol.

I did wonder on this Eleanor but was not sure.

Can you find her anywhere else that might confirm it??

On the 1891 census John is a widower.

STAINES, John Thomas Head Married M 65 1846 Farm Labourer Essex Waltham Abby VIEW
STAINES, Helen Grace Wife Married
19 years F 55 1856 Oxford Longton VIEW
HAYNES, Mont Nephew Single M 21 1890 Farmer Nephew Working On Farm Hertfordshire Wormley VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7420 Reference:
RG14PN7420 RG78PN358 RD132 SD6 ED13 SN7

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Enfield Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Enfield

Address:
1 Parkside Cottages Hadley Road Enfield

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ellen Grace Haynes
Name: Ellen Grace Haynes
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Spouse Name: John Thomas Staines widower
Spouse Age: 48
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 07 Aug 1893
Parish: St Peter, Paddington
COUNTY: London
Borough: Westminster
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Staines