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Can someone help me sort this family out please.

John Thomas STAINES b 1845 Waltham Abbey Essex
Claudine RAPLEY b 1848 Enfield Middlesex

John and Claudine married 1868 Shoreditch, London (I have no idea why they would of married here). STAINES was transcribed as STAINS.

Their Children that I know of were:-

1. Claudine Mary Ann STAINES b 1877 Enfield Middlesex

Have birth and marriage 1899 Edmonton but not sure which spouse is her's

2. Elizabeth Jane STAINES b1878 Enfield Middlesex

Have birth nothing further

3. Helen STAINES b 1883 Waltham Abbey, Essex

Unable to locate birth marriage or death or why this child was born Waltham Abbey and the others Enfield. (Places of birth's are from 1891 census but they are all come under the same registration district of Edmonton)

Someone found John and his children on the 1891 Census living with his parents Thomas & Mary STAINES and sister Eliza A SLADE and her family in Enfield but
a) where was his wife at this time ?and
b) where were they all before and after this date?

I know John died 1918 Enfield and Claudine I think died 1884 Edmonton District although the registration has middle name Victoria which birth and marriage don't have but know from other family members this did happen.

Any info would be gratefully received.

The marriage with his name spelled a little differently:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Claudine Rapley Name: Claudine Rapley
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Spouse Name: John Thomas Stains
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Feb 1868
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
COUNTY: Surrey
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: George Rapley
Spouse Father Name: John Thomas Stains

Original says he was a gunsmith, she was a dressmaker, address for both was 35 George St. His father a farmer, hers a miller. Witnesses were George Rapley (the father) and Alice Argent.

Umm now is this my man because I have John's father's name as Thomas STAINES no mention of John anywhere but I only have this from census as he was born c1821 Takeley Essex.

Thomas STAINES married Mary Ann SMITH in 1843 Enfield, Middlesex.

What do you think??

?? could this be Helen

Name: Eleanor Eliza Staines
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
DISTRICT: Edmonton
COUNTY: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 374 (click to see others on page)

1901

Name: Eleanor E Staines
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Waltham Abbey, Essex, England

Civil parish: Enfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Enfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 1271
Folio: 36
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Harry Montrose Haynes 48
Caroline E Haynes 33
Eliza A M Haynes 35
Eleanor E Staines 18
Percy W Hayne 12

Name: Claudine Mary Ann Staines
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: George Richard Sheryer - Fireman G.E.R
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 08 Jul 1899
Parish: Jesus Church
COUNTY: London
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: John Thomas Staines - Gunsmith RSAF
Spouse Father Name: George Richard Sheryer -deceased

Image is Shiryer


One witness was Elizabeth Jane Staines

STAINES, John Thomas Head Married M 65 1846 Farm Labourer Essex Waltham Abby VIEW
STAINES, Helen Grace Wife Married
19 years F 55 1856 Oxford Longton VIEW
HAYNES, Mont Nephew Single M 21 1890 Farmer Nephew Working On Farm Hertfordshire Wormley VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7420 Reference:
RG14PN7420 RG78PN358 RD132 SD6 ED13 SN7

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Enfield Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Enfield

Address:
1 Parkside Cottages Hadley Road Enfield

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ellen Grace Haynes
Name: Ellen Grace Haynes
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Spouse Name: John Thomas Staines widower
Spouse Age: 48
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 07 Aug 1893
Parish: St Peter, Paddington
COUNTY: London
Borough: Westminster
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Staines

On the 1891 census John is a widower.

I did wonder on this Eleanor but was not sure.

Can you find her anywhere else that might confirm it??

Thank you for confirming the right husband of daughter Claudine.


So that means I should have the right death for Claudine senior then given that John was a widow in 1891. Oh I love it when something finally works together lol.

I have added the 1901 to the post above kim ...born waltham abbey

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Claudine's death:

Deaths Sep 1884 (>99%)
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Staines Claudine Victoria 33 Edmonton 3a 214



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marriage perhaps

Name: Eleanor Eliza Staines
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Eastbourne
COUNTY: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 171 (click to see others on page)

1911
SHIRYER, George Head Married M 38 1873 Railway Locomotive Engine Driver Southampton Hampshire VIEW
SHIRYER, Claudine Wife Married
11 years F 34 1877 Watham Essex VIEW
SHIRYER, Ethel Daughter F 6 1905 School Stratford Essex VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9368 Reference:
RG14PN9368 RG78PN505 RD188 SD1 ED27 SN412

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Stratford Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
West Ham

Address:
30 Maryland Road Stratford West Ham

Umm now where is the link between Eleanor E STAINES on the 1901 census living with the HAYNES family and then the 1911 census where John and new wife Helen have Mont HAYNES Nephew with them???

Coincidence??

Deaths Mar 1933 (>99%)
Shiryer Claudine M A 56 Edmonton 3a 1162

Another sister?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Harriett Elizabeth Staines
Name: Harriett Elizabeth Staines
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: George Eastwick Occ:Sailor
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 01 Aug 1898
Parish: St Andrew
COUNTY: London
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: John Thomas Staines Occ:Machinist
Spouse Father Name: George Thomas Eastwick

Witnesses were Claudine Mary Ann Staines and John Thomas Staines.

Maureen

Eleanor E. was just a servant with the Haynes family on the 1901 census.

Can anyone find John's wife on 1881 census so as to see what other children there were as the child MaureeninNY found must be a sister that I didn't know existed??

Margee I think it must have been coincidence that the names are the same.

1901 census transcription details for: 2, Laurel Bank Road, Enfield
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1272 Folio: 12 Page: 15

Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Enfield
Parish: Enfield Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew's City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Laurel Bank Road, Enfield County: Middlesex

STAINES, John T Head Married M 56 1845 Rifle Maker (Magazines)
Hollyfield Essex
STAINES, Ellen G Wife Married F 46 1855
Cumnor Berkshire
HAYNES, Thomas Father-In-Law Widower M 74 1827 Retired Farmer
Cumno Berkshire
HOBSON, Mark Nephew Single M 22 1879 Butchers Shop Assistant
Enfield Middlesex
HAYNES, Harry Nephew Single M 18 1883 Milling Machine Guard Small Arms Factory
Paddington London

Maureen

I would think there was some connection Mont or Montrose is an unusual name...could be wrong though

Edit - Maureen has confirmed it

jax