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Thanks for coming back, Kim. Sorry I haven't responded sooner but this tends to be hobby for high days and holidays! Pleased you think you are now on the right track. If there is anything else you think we can help you with, please let us know....

Thank you Catherine for your message.

Umm now you got me thinking.

I was told by a family member that had purchased the 1911 marriage cert that that one was correct marriage but I would say your 1918 marriage is DEFINITELY the correct one and ties in with not only the name and occupation of the father but the birth that Glitter Baby found for me earlier. I had over looked the birth because I was looking for the names the other way round.

This is why I always like to double check things and never believe anything until it can be proved!!!

I will come back tomorrow to see that you saw this message.

Thanks for your help
Kim

This is the marriage in 1911..... father's name is James not Charles Stephen

Name: Annie Elizabeth Staines
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Spouse Name: Robert William John Waller
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1911
Parish: St James, Upper Edmonton
COUNTY: London
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: James Staines
Spouse Father Name: William John Waller



Kim, do you know which marriage is right?

Just found this marriage....don't know whether this throws the cat amongst the pigeons or not!

Name: Elizabeth Ann Staines (Spinster)
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Spouse Name: Frederick George Hyatt (Batchelor) occ Soldier
Spouse Age: 34
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Jan 1918
Parish: St Andrew, Enfield
COUNTY: London
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: Charles Stephen Staines occ Sawyer
Spouse Father Name: Thomas William Hyatt occ Gardener

Address for Elizabeth is 1 Batley Road Enfield (same as 1911 census)

Witnesses: Ethel Hyatt & Thomas Staines

Thanks for looking anyway.

Sorry don't seem to be able to find any more baptisms for the family......

Yes that's them Londonbelle I have them on that one.

Would you mind having a look to see if there are any more baptism if you can search by parents name's if not don't worry I will do it by process of elimination.

Thanks

This looks like it could be the family in the 1891 census ....mistranscribed

Name: Charles S Stamer
[Charles S Staines]
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah J Stamer
Gender: Male
Where born: Enfield, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Enfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Enfield
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Enfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1086
Folio: 105
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles S Stamer 32
Sarah J Stamer 35
Thomas Stamer 10
Anne E Stamer 7

Address: 3 Lancaster Road

Looks like Anne was born around 1884 Enfield

Thanks Londonbelle I know they had another 4 children born before 1911 but they all died. You have just helped me fill one gap.

Thanks

Looks like they had another child

Name: Sarah Jane Staines
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889
Born: 19 Nov 1889
Baptism Date: 23 Nov 1889
Father's name: Charles Stephen Staines occ Labourer
Mother's name: Sarah Jane Staines
Parish or Poor Law Union: Enfield St Andrew
Borough: Enfield

Address: 3 Lancaster Road Enfield (address same as 1901 census)

Sorry Glitter Baby I did miss the point but yes I do have the cert for her marriage she married Robert William John Waller in Enfield, Middlesex (Edmonton Registration).

Think you have missed the point of that 1911 census

I ws trying to show that perhaps the marriage in 1911 is not her - unless you have the cert

Glitter baby the census living with brother is definitely not her as she only had two brother Thomas and Joseph.

Glitter Baby had not seen that birth, perhaps will buy cert then I can see if it matches either of Maddie's census matches.

The family have all seemed to stay in Enfield and I know she married there but anything is possible!!

Thanks again to both of you for looking.

1911
1911 census - household transcription
Person: STAINES, Elizabeth Ann
Address: Norfolk Lodge 5 Woodfield Avenue

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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SMITH, Hannah Servant Single F 80 1831 Cook Domestic Pulham St Mary Norfolk VIEW
STAINES, Elizabeth Ann Servant Single F 27 1884 Housemaid Domestic Enfield Town Middlesex VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2323 Reference:
RG14PN2323 RG78PN78A RD26 SD5 ED38 SN78

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Streatham Enumeration District:
38 Parish:
Wandsworth Borough

Address:
Norfolk Lodge 5 Woodfield Avenue County:
London

1911 ?

STAINES, Arthur Head Single M 42 1869 Merchant General London St Pancras VIEW
STAINES, Mary Mother Widow F 70 1841 London St Pancras VIEW
STAINES, Annie Eliza Sister Single F 31 1880 London St Pancras VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7244 Reference:
RG14PN7244 RG78PN353 RD132 SD1 ED52 SN226

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Hornsey Enumeration District:
52 Parish:
Hornsey

Address:
44 Coniston Road Muswell Hill



How do you know it is your Annie that married in 1911 as it could be this one

1901 for an eLIZABETH aNN
s
Name: Elizabeth A Staines
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Enfield, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 236
Piece: 639
Folio: 52
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
John M Paice 49
Blanche Paice 46
Emily Pound 47
Elizabeth A Staines

nearest i could find
1911
SHUTE, Edith Letitia Head Widow F 56 1855 Private Means St Andrews N B VIEW
CURSON, Rose Anna Servant Single F 48 1863 Cook Anmer Norfolk VIEW
HAMMOND, Louisa Annie Servant Widow F 39 1872 Housemaid Peckham Surrey VIEW
STAINES, Annie Elizabeth Servant Single F 17 1894 Kitchenmaid Hatfield Herts VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
104 Reference:
RG14PN104 RG78PN4 RD2 SD1 ED17 SN43

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
Kensington South Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Kensington

Address:
12 and 13 St George's Court Gloucester Road Kensington County:
London

Have you ruled this birth out?

Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
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Staines Elizabeth Ann Edmonton 3a 370


Have you found her in 1901?

Thanks also Patchem.

Can either of you see Ann or Annie anywhere I know she married in Sept Qu 1911 so should still be under maiden name??

Thanks